 IanPremium join:2002-06-18 ON kudos:2 Reviews:
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Re: Entitled to their entitlements Well, we're now talking about things outside the realm of simple expense accounts. Failing to budget for a $700 million dollar expense (I guarantee will come in well over budget) anywhere at all takes a very special (Liberal) level of incompetence, as Horvath mentioned. -- Any claim that the root of a problem is simple should be treated the same as a claim that the root of a problem is Bigfoot. Simplicity and Bigfoot are found in the real world with about the same frequency. David Wong |
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said by ekster:Michael Chan said the $1.4 billion budget for TO2015 does not include $10 million for the provincial Pan Am Secretariat, or the $709 million being spent on housing for the athletes."
After the Games, the Village will become a mixed-use neighbourhood with affordable housing, new condominiums, a YMCA and a dormitory for George Brown College students.
So hopefully some of that money can be recouped. |
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| said by Gershom 1624:So hopefully some of that money can be recouped. Which, as was pointed out, is nothing new for such a development. Failing to budget for it, at all, is.  |
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 elwoodbluesElwood BluesPremium join:2006-08-30 HarperLand kudos:1 | reply to Gershom 1624
Are you kidding me, Vancouver thought the same thing, and they lost their shirt on the deal to sell Olympic housing.
"affordable" housing next door to market housing can't work. I'm waiting for Regent Park to fall apart and fast, they're building 400k+ townhomes around the edge of the area, do you really think they want drug dealers, prostitutes, pimps etc living in the same area?
Then at the same time, why would I want to pay "market prices" for my home, spend time and money on upkeep, while next door, is a a place that's not kept up and because there is no sense of ownership, just don't give a shit.
Too bad goggle maps is badly out of date, they're building this MONSTROSITY of a pool for the "disadvantaged" on Shuter St, its bigger then the pool UoT is building for the Pan Am games.
I'm tired of these circuses coming to (insert your town) every couple of years, there are always cost overruns, corruption, and nobody except the builders and the ones benefiting from the largesse benefit.
The only time there is any serious infrastructure being built is when these circuses come to town. -- No, I didn't. Honest... I ran out of gas. I... I had a flat tire. I didn't have enough money for cab fare. My tux didn't come back from the cleaners. An old friend came in from out of town. Someone stole my car. There was an earthquake....... |
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 neochu join:2008-12-12 Windsor, ON 1 edit | I think you hit the nail on the head for this one. Even moreso then the expenses and cups of tea billing. These events are nothing but bragging rights and parties for the super rich and entitled. People who run these have entitlement complexes and expect certain things. Otherwise their offended and will choose someone else.
They don't really have any true benefit and can actually make things worse (such as the closed 100M dollar pool built down here in Windsor that closed 3 pools in disadvantaged areas. One they'll make cost 5 times as much for the public to use. Even then its only a 10th of the seating capacity needed to host teir 1 swim events.
Their pushed as "bragging rights" for all of about 5 years. Then paid for by the peasants for the next 30. Too bad though your community will endlessly whine if it doesn't get em (Toronto has lost the Olympics twice for example).
Remember the consultants were in a private employment relationship. They were not voted in by public vote or appointment whom could resign over the expenses. At least anyone the government CAN attack (like the officials who signed a binding contract to the taxpayer).
If they didn't agree with how expenses were handled you could bet they would have gone to a competitor who did.
And they know their the only ticket to get said event(and unrealistic expense claims). So its as much a captive market as it is entitlement. |
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 corsterPremium join:2002-02-23 Gatineau, QC | reply to Ian
said by Ian:said by Gershom 1624:So hopefully some of that money can be recouped. Which, as was pointed out, is nothing new for such a development. Failing to budget for it, at all, is.  While it does appear to be rather poor management, there are legitimate reasons to budget for the athlete's village separately from the Pan Am games. Classifying it as an Affordable Housing project rather than a Pan Am Games expense makes it eligible for federal affordable housing funding, as one example. |
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the white elephant in the room for vancouver that was. |
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didn't the mayor of london expense his son's wedding when he was an MP? |
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 elwoodbluesElwood BluesPremium join:2006-08-30 HarperLand kudos:1 | reply to elwoodblues
It gets better,since they're so good at expensing , there is now a $7m retention plan.
A $7-million retention bonus plan for Pan Am Games employees was so eye-catching to Tourism, Culture and Sport Minister Michael Chan that he demanded an explanation when he took over the file earlier this year.
It seemed high to me, these eye-catching numbers, said the minister, who was satisfied with the explanation he received after assuming Pan Am responsibility in February. This is the price you have to pay for these people, he said, noting the bonuses should help ensure the Games are on-budget and that key staffers stick around for the duration. I wonder who explained it to him? The same people that stand to benefit from it? This is pure theft of my money for a fucken event that I and probably most of Ontario will NEVER attend.
And they're talking Olympics now.. When will the corporate sucking on the taxpyers teat every end?
And you all complain Minimum wage is to high 
»www.thestar.com/news/queenspark/···lan.html -- No, I didn't. Honest... I ran out of gas. I... I had a flat tire. I didn't have enough money for cab fare. My tux didn't come back from the cleaners. An old friend came in from out of town. Someone stole my car. There was an earthquake....... |
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·Rogers Hi-Speed
| It's disgusting the amount of waste that follows the Ontario Liberals around...
quote: But Chan %u2014 who emphasized Friday he is watching the Games' budget with "a hawk's eyes" %u2014 was persuaded once it was explained to him that such incentives are standard practice for such large-scale sports events.
Demonstrated where, and by whom?
If Wynn is upset about $0.91 in parking, waiting to hear her thoughts about 200% "retention" bonuses. Want to be retained? Do your fucking job. Don't? Then quit. It really is that simple.
This happened on Wynn's watch, not McGuinty's, right? -- Any claim that the root of a problem is simple should be treated the same as a claim that the root of a problem is Bigfoot. Simplicity and Bigfoot are found in the real world with about the same frequency. David Wong |
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 kingb71 join:2000-10-09 Mississauga, ON | reply to elwoodblues
what do we the taxpayers get out of all this? Traffic headaches, affordable housing for others, nonsensical sporting venues like a velodrome in Milton of all places..., the Ti-cats get a much needed new stadium, yet nobody thought to include a new one for the Argos, so they don't play at BMO Field. |
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 elwoodbluesElwood BluesPremium join:2006-08-30 HarperLand kudos:1 | reply to Ian
It came into play under Dalton, but she's good with it. |
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 IanPremium join:2002-06-18 ON kudos:2 | reply to elwoodblues
Heh.... Just realized this thread snuck into regular Canchat. Let's be careful not to make it in any way political...  |
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