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BF69
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West Tenness

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But wait

I though lack of availability of content was why people pirated. The last episode is legally available at places like Amazon, Vudu, iTunes etc so why is there so much piracy? This kind of disproves the point if you make content available people will stop pirating.



mackieg4
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Maybe because it's not available from iTunes, Amazon, Vudo, etc. until the next day in the USA. In other countries, it's not available for weeks or months.



BF69
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said by mackieg4:

Maybe because it's not available from iTunes, Amazon, Vudo, etc. until the next day in the USA.

Well then wait 24 hours or get fucking cable or go to a friends house.


mackieg4
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Did you read the fucking article? Most were from other countries. Only 14.5% were from the USA. Geez dude, stop being so negative all the time.



Pirate515
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Brooklyn, NY

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reply to BF69

said by BF69:

I though lack of availability of content was why people pirated. The last episode is legally available at places like Amazon, Vudu, iTunes etc. so why is there so much piracy? This kind of disproves the point if you make content available people will stop pirating.

Could it also be that copies from all of the legal sources are DRM'd and many people are not too fond of paying for something that will come with restrictions? Why doesn't Hollywood drop DRM as music industry finally did a few years ago, it just might work wonders for them.

And yes, I second the availability argument. If people outside of the US can't get it the same time that we do from legal sources, they will pirate it. And it has nothing to do with depriving those who worked on the show of their rightly earned income, rather with wanting to see how it all ends ASAP. IMO, that episode should have been available on iTunes, Amazon, Vudu, etc. worldwide at the same time it started rolling on TV.
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NOYB
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reply to mackieg4


That argument doesn't hold water. US was second highest and nearly equal to highest.

"18% of downloaders were from Australia, while 14.5% were from the United States and 9.3% were from the UK."



mackieg4
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join:2003-03-24
Riverside, CA

If 14.5% were from USA, that means 85.5% were from other countries. Doesn't matter who the US was close to or equal to. My point is, 85.5% do not have legal access for weeks or months.


jjeffeory

join:2002-12-04
USA
reply to BF69

Maybe, but one instance of something hardly proves the fact. Even in scientific experiments this is true. The test must be reproducible.


wispalord

join:2007-09-20
Farmington, MO

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reply to BF69

its also not free or subscription based it pay per view that shit don't fly well with most


wispalord

join:2007-09-20
Farmington, MO
reply to Pirate515

I agree or make it viewable online first at the same time for everyone in there zip code that would also put more ppl online at a given time for targeted adds aka hulu the tech is there to make a killing and never need to charge more than a subscription fee, when they figure this out it will get better till then its ran by old non tech ppl that don't understand technology and there just going to burry them selves, I see it no differently than recording it on vhs and letting all my friends borrow it. IF MPAA hd there way every person in front of the same tv would have to pay to watch like a theater there all crooks



BF69
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reply to mackieg4

said by mackieg4:

Did you read the fucking article? Most were from other countries. Only 14.5% were from the USA. Geez dude, stop being so negative all the time.

14.5% or 1 out of 7. Just pointing out the facts. Sorry you hate FACTS. Here's a tip if you don't like what I say they do have an IGNORE feature here. I'll save you some time just click the link and you can ignore my posts.

»/useremail/u/1···re=START


BF69
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reply to wispalord

said by wispalord:

its also not free or subscription based it pay per view that shit don't fly well with most

Well tough shit. I want everything too be free too. That's not real fucking life though. It's like $4 for the HD version. They can't afford $4? A half hour's work at Burger King will pay for that.

zod5000

join:2003-10-21
Victoria, BC
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reply to BF69

I think the content owners are the ones who are losing out with the 24 hour period.

The consumer has no need to wait. They can download it a few minutes after its done airing and watch it for free. Their alternative option is to wait 24 hours and pay for it.

Seriously how did you phrase your sentence like the consumer is in the wrong? Yes pirating is wrong, but when pirating is the only given choice for those 24 hours, what decision do you expect people to make.

As for other countries. I can't understand why there's international wait restrictions anymore. With the internet once something airs on a tv stations somewhere it's basically aired throughout the entire planet. Expecting fans to wait weeks/months to watch it as asking a lot.

I'm not condoning piracy. I'm asking them to release the products everywhere at the same time. The only people getting hurt by staggering releases are the content owners.



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said by zod5000:

I think the content owners are the ones who are losing out with the 24 hour period.

The consumer has no need to wait. They can download it a few minutes after its done airing and watch it for free. Their alternative option is to wait 24 hours and pay for it.

Seriously how did you phrase your sentence like the consumer is in the wrong? Yes pirating is wrong, but when pirating is the only given choice for those 24 hours, what decision do you expect people to make.

As for other countries. I can't understand why there's international wait restrictions anymore. With the internet once something airs on a tv stations somewhere it's basically aired throughout the entire planet. Expecting fans to wait weeks/months to watch it as asking a lot.

I'm not condoning piracy. I'm asking them to release the products everywhere at the same time. The only people getting hurt by staggering releases are the content owners.

I'll take the $2.99 1080P, 5.1DD download from Amazon over the free BitTorrnet any day.


Anon21873

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reply to BF69

said by BF69:

said by mackieg4:

Only 14.5% were from the USA. Geez dude, stop being so negative all the time.

14.5% or 1 out of 7. Just pointing out the facts. Sorry you hate FACTS.

I'm gonna agree with mackieg4 here. Chill out dude, you're making a scene.

I don't even understand what point you're trying to make. Yes, 14.5% is 1 out of 7 and that is indeed a fact as you say. Meaning the vast majority of the pirates (6 out of 7) were outside the US, which supports the argument he was making.

Again dude, just take a chill pill. The angrier you get, the more infantile you seem. Let people complain if they want to; it relieves stress.


Pirate515
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reply to wispalord

said by wispalord:

If MPAA had their way every person in front of the same TV would have to pay to watch like a theater. They are all crooks.

Wasn't that one of the concerns with Microsoft's upcoming XBox One (among many others). Allegedly, the required camera that came with it had the capability to detect how many people were in the room. So imagine this, you order a movie or a PPV event, invite some friends over, and right before it is about to start, it refuses to play because it detected 20 people in the room and demands 20x what you originally paid for it.
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Toguro

join:2003-10-23
Ottawa, IL
reply to BF69

Re: But wait

Why are you swearing so much can't you make a point without the cursing.

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WhatNow
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Charlotte, NC
reply to NOYB

Re: But wait

If you consider the number of people that live in both countries the US 14.5% is a drop in the bucket compared to Australia and the UK.



RobinK

join:2004-04-16
Canada
reply to BF69

Drawing conclusions based on just the piracy numbers is akin to judging a product just on negative reviews.

A more popular product will regenerate more negative reviews. You need to consider how many sales it made vs how many people complained to determine how bad or good it is. This is common sense.

A more popular TV show will draw higher piracy numbers. Period. It doesn't mean no one watched it legally. You are just not looking at the whole picture.

How many people legally watched the finale?
How many people legally watched the finale and then downloaded it anyways?
How many people downloaded it who had a legal alternative in their country vs those who downloaded it and did not?

And then from there, you can break it down even further if you like to get real scientific:
How well was the show marketed in said country?
How well connected in said country for their legal means of watching said show?
Was the show competing with another popular TV show in that country at the time?

There is not enough data here to draw any conclusions. So stop trying.

Here is a bonus question for you geeks:
How many people who are tired of paying for old fashion cable TV, download it, and then buy it on bluray the next year (therefore still supporting it)? (Hint: me for one)
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Anon2838

@sbcglobal.net

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Exactly. It's a pure numbers game in the end. Trying to squeeze conclusions out of such incomplete data is nothing but an exercise in futility. Doesn't stop BF69 from spouting his mouth about how he's so much more morally superior than the rest of us peons, though...



Nightfall
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reply to BF69

said by BF69:

said by mackieg4:

Did you read the fucking article? Most were from other countries. Only 14.5% were from the USA. Geez dude, stop being so negative all the time.

14.5% or 1 out of 7. Just pointing out the facts. Sorry you hate FACTS. Here's a tip if you don't like what I say they do have an IGNORE feature here. I'll save you some time just click the link and you can ignore my posts.

»/useremail/u/1···re=START

I do agree with you BF69. Those facts are very hard to refute, which is why people are getting all pissy about it.
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reply to zod5000

said by zod5000:

I think the content owners are the ones who are losing out with the 24 hour period.

The consumer has no need to wait. They can download it a few minutes after its done airing and watch it for free. Their alternative option is to wait 24 hours and pay for it.

Seriously how did you phrase your sentence like the consumer is in the wrong? Yes pirating is wrong, but when pirating is the only given choice for those 24 hours, what decision do you expect people to make.

As for other countries. I can't understand why there's international wait restrictions anymore. With the internet once something airs on a tv stations somewhere it's basically aired throughout the entire planet. Expecting fans to wait weeks/months to watch it as asking a lot.

I'm not condoning piracy. I'm asking them to release the products everywhere at the same time. The only people getting hurt by staggering releases are the content owners.

I can understand the way it was years ago, when you had to wait months for a full series to be released. However, 24 hours? I think thats a little excessive. If you want immediate access, then pay for cable or Satellite. That simple.

IMHO, the consumer is wrong in this case. Its pretty simple to see. As you said, piracy is wrong, and consumers should be able to wait 24 freaking hours to get the content legally.
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Nightfall
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reply to Toguro

said by Toguro:

Why are you swearing so much can't you make a point without the cursing.

I agree, but at the same time, his point has merit. Sticking to the point, do you agree or not?
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Anon9283

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reply to Nightfall

I agree with what he's trying to say but not the manner in which he chooses to convey it.

I get it, I really do. I understand how satisfactory it must feel to be able to say "Hah, it's legally available like you claimed you wanted and yet piracy continues. Your argument is invalid." It's human nature to enjoy those types of "I told ya so!" moments.

But there's no need to be so condescending about it, or strongly imply the mindset of "I'm morally superior to anyone who disagrees with me." That's what I have a problem with. That is how children act, not full grown adults who should know better.



Nightfall
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said by Anon9283 :

I agree with what he's trying to say but not the manner in which he chooses to convey it.

I get it, I really do. I understand how satisfactory it must feel to be able to say "Hah, it's legally available like you claimed you wanted and yet piracy continues. Your argument is invalid." It's human nature to enjoy those types of "I told ya so!" moments.

But there's no need to be so condescending about it, or strongly imply the mindset of "I'm morally superior to anyone who disagrees with me." That's what I have a problem with. That is how children act, not full grown adults who should know better.

We are in total agreement.
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Anon2838

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reply to Nightfall

His point has merit, but it would have more merit without the unnecessary swearing.

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