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zod5000

join:2003-10-21
Victoria, BC
Reviews:
·Shaw

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reply to Nightfall

Re: But wait

The argument works both ways:

It's only 24 hours, release the content right away and collect your $2/ep. What's 24 hours to itunes/content owners?

From a profitibility statement I think the consumers have the stronger hand. How does AMC convince people to wait 24 hours and pay for it? Tell them its the right thing to do. lol. There the ones losing sales not the consumers because people don't want to wait 24 hours and accidently read spoilers in the headlines of news pages.


Kamus

join:2011-01-27
El Paso, TX
reply to BF69

said by BF69:

Well then wait 24 hours or get fucking cable or go to a friends house.

Or don't wait anything at all and just watch it because it's everywhere.
Not everyone has their head in the sand, get over it.


delusion ftl

@206.29.182.x
reply to BF69

No, this is AMC leaving money on the table. They should have an app for google play, iOS (including apple TV), Roku and any other market they want money from. Then they can turn on the ability to watch via their apps at the same time as the eastern seaboard and include all the ads they see fit.

AMC made a business decision to have that kind of piracy. Just like Redbox and netflix and peers made business decisions that significantly dropped piracy and picked the money up off the table.

HBO is another major one that is sitting there with piles of money on the table that they refuse to pick up. Maybe they do it on principle ("people shouldn't pirate"), or maybe they have poor leadership, but either way the money is there, whether they want to grab it or not.



Anon9283

@sbcglobal.net
reply to Nightfall

I'm very glad to hear it. Open-mindedness is key.


BosstonesOwn

join:2002-12-15
Wakefield, MA

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reply to BF69

Tell that to the folks who don't make more then $10 an hour and have bills to pay.

Then $4 is a lot.
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Anon19388

@sbcglobal.net
reply to Nightfall

Re: But wait

Glad to hear it.

Also, *satisfying not satisfactory. That typo has been bugging me for a while.

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Nightfall
My Goal Is To Deny Yours
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join:2001-08-03
Grand Rapids, MI
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·ooma
·Callcentric
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reply to zod5000

Re: But wait

said by zod5000:

The argument works both ways:

It's only 24 hours, release the content right away and collect your $2/ep. What's 24 hours to itunes/content owners?

From a profitibility statement I think the consumers have the stronger hand. How does AMC convince people to wait 24 hours and pay for it? Tell them its the right thing to do. lol. There the ones losing sales not the consumers because people don't want to wait 24 hours and accidently read spoilers in the headlines of news pages.

Very true. I cannot argue with that at all. Sounds like we both agree on each other's main points....

1. Piracy isn't the answer.
2. 24 hours isn't a big deal to wait unlike it was in the past.
3. Broadcasters should be releasing their content same day within an hour of the broadcast.
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Anon39388

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reply to BosstonesOwn

His is a problem I see with lots of "older" folks of the Baby Boom generation (again, using his "I had cable in '83" comment to get a rough estimate of his age). In general, they don't understand just how much the cost of living has increased since they were teenagers and prefer to instead call us "lazy slackers who want everything for free." They don't understand that the cheapest state-sponsored college educational systems still cost thousands upon thousands of dollars to get through, and that a college degree doesn't even guarantee that you'll get a job flipping burgers nowadays. It's a different world than it was even 30 years ago.

Life is hard, always has been and always will be. I understand that. But that doesn't excuse him from clapping his hands over his ears and yelling "I'm not listening I'm not listening!!!" whenever anyone dares to complain about anything just to let off steam.



Pirate515
Premium
join:2001-01-22
Brooklyn, NY

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reply to zod5000

said by zod5000:

The argument works both ways:

It's only 24 hours, release the content right away and collect your $2/ep. What's 24 hours to iTunes/content owners?

From a profitability statement I think the consumers have the stronger hand. How does AMC convince people to wait 24 hours and pay for it? Tell them its the right thing to do? LOL. There the ones losing sales not the consumers because people don't want to wait 24 hours and accidently read spoilers in the headlines of news pages.

Couldn't agree more. I have said it before in various posts and will say it again: there are tons of businesses in many industries that are based on premise that people want stuff and they want it now. Those that can deliver on that end up making a lot of money, or people end up getting it elsewhere as was the case here. So for AMC not to take advantage of such an opportunity with a show that is so insanely popular is just beyond stupid. And it's not like they are withholding the content because it's not ready. Yes, back in the physical media days there was a valid reason for delays: stuff was originally recorded on film, to bring it out to home video market it had to be transferred to VHS (later on DVD), then copies had to be distributed to retailers all over, which took time. This day and age almost everything is filmed in digital, so if it's ready to be shown on TV, it's also ready for DVD/Blu-ray and online distribution as well. I bet that iTunes, Amazon and other legal outlets do have copies of content ahead of time; they simply cannot distribute it sooner than studios say so due to contractual obligations.
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NOYB
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reply to mackieg4

said by mackieg4:

My point is, 85.5% do not have legal access for weeks or months


That is not true and a very incorrect assumption that only US has timely legal access. Europe for example has NetFlicks access very soon after airing. I know because someone showed me how they use a proxy to access as though they are in Europe. So that 14.5% is now up to 23.7%. Nearly 1 in 4 with timely legal access just from those two alone. Probably a stretch to assume that all of the remainder do not.

The argument still does not hold water.

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reply to mackieg4

Even when it becomes available the most of the pirates will not pony up and obtain legal copy. In effect just using it to time-shift, but still paying for the content. So once again this argument is nonsense and does not hold water. Only way they will pay for it is if it is the only way they can get it.

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Bagnon
Snoogans

join:2000-11-19
St Catharines, ON
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reply to BF69

Not necessarily. 10.3 million viewers on a premium channel is really good. Add the 500k torrent users and you got yourself a really good viewership. Just because people still use bittorent doesn't mean that they aren't aware of other legit offerings. In this case it may be a case of "a little to late." Those 500k downloads could be people who are just comfortable with using bittorent and can't be bothered with changing there ways.



Caladus

join:2009-07-01
Beaverton, OR
reply to BF69

Pretty sure the vast majority of people streaming/downloading this finale are actually doing it legally.

The show is so popular though it crosses typical demographic lines. So you're going to have pirates crawling all over it. And the numbers themselves don't look amazingly huge.

It's far easier to just watch AMC than bother with downloading the show illegally the day after it showed.


Sukunai
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reply to BF69

No it proves that the industry does such a shitty job of providing services, that a large swath of society has simply stopped giving a shit.

I have programs that will automatically seek out episodes in whatever size and format I desire. It's brutally efficient, unlike the retarded attempts of large portions of the industry which have nothing to do with efficient.

I buy books from Amazon, not TV, I don't use Apple I use Android.

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BF69
Premium
join:2004-07-28
West Tenness
reply to Anon9283

Re: But wait

said by Anon9283 :

I agree with what he's trying to say but not the manner in which he chooses to convey it.

I get it, I really do. I understand how satisfactory it must feel to be able to say "Hah, it's legally available like you claimed you wanted and yet piracy continues. Your argument is invalid." It's human nature to enjoy those types of "I told ya so!" moments.

But there's no need to be so condescending about it, or strongly imply the mindset of "I'm morally superior to anyone who disagrees with me." That's what I have a problem with. That is how children act, not full grown adults who should know better.

I in no way directed my post at anyone posting here. If anyone took it personal that's THEIR problem not mine.


BF69
Premium
join:2004-07-28
West Tenness
reply to zod5000

said by zod5000:

I think the content owners are the ones who are losing out with the 24 hour period.

The consumer has no need to wait. They can download it a few minutes after its done airing and watch it for free. Their alternative option is to wait 24 hours and pay for it.

Seriously how did you phrase your sentence like the consumer is in the wrong? Yes pirating is wrong, but when pirating is the only given choice for those 24 hours, what decision do you expect people to make.

I expect people to act like fricken grown ups with morals. If my posts are childish what is pirating something because one can't wait 24 hours? And if one wants to watch it now how come they aren't watching it on TV when it's on in the first place?


BF69
Premium
join:2004-07-28
West Tenness
reply to zod5000

said by zod5000:

The argument works both ways:

It's only 24 hours, release the content right away and collect your $2/ep. What's 24 hours to itunes/content owners?

From a profitibility statement I think the consumers have the stronger hand. How does AMC convince people to wait 24 hours and pay for it? Tell them its the right thing to do. lol. There the ones losing sales not the consumers because people don't want to wait 24 hours and accidently read spoilers in the headlines of news pages.

Because AMC re-runs the show a couple of hours later. I can guarantee they make more money in advertising from that 2nd showing than they would gain in sales buy offering it for sale right after the first showing.


BF69
Premium
join:2004-07-28
West Tenness
reply to Kamus

said by Kamus:

said by BF69:

Well then wait 24 hours or get fucking cable or go to a friends house.

Or don't wait anything at all and just watch it because it's everywhere.
Not everyone has their head in the sand, get over it.

yes let's not have morals anymore in society because that has been proven so successful in the past.


Corehhi

join:2002-01-28
Bluffton, SC
Reviews:
·Hargray Cable
reply to Pirate515

said by Pirate515:

said by wispalord:

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Wasn't that one of the concerns with Microsoft's upcoming XBox One (among many others). Allegedly, the required camera that came with it had the capability to detect how many people were in the room. So imagine this, you order a movie or a PPV event, invite some friends over, and right before it is about to start, it refuses to play because it detected 20 people in the room and demands 20x what you originally paid for it.

The new Xbox is so toxic I wouldn't buy one. I'm pretty sure Sony is going to win the console wars for now, no loyalty in the gaming console world. What you said about counting heads could come true??? Who knows???
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Anon938333

@sbcglobal.net

4 recommendations

reply to BF69

Re: But wait

said by BF69:

said by Anon9283 :

I agree with what he's trying to say but not the manner in which he chooses to convey it.

I get it, I really do. I understand how satisfactory it must feel to be able to say "Hah, it's legally available like you claimed you wanted and yet piracy continues. Your argument is invalid." It's human nature to enjoy those types of "I told ya so!" moments.

But there's no need to be so condescending about it, or strongly imply the mindset of "I'm morally superior to anyone who disagrees with me." That's what I have a problem with. That is how children act, not full grown adults who should know better.

I in no way directed my post at anyone posting here. If anyone took it personal that's THEIR problem not mine.

You and I both know that that's bullshit. You did in fact direct your posts negatively towards anyone who doesn't share your "HAIL CORPORATE VERIZON" opinion. Stop trying to backtrack and make yourself seem like the "unsung hero" or "golden boy that nobody understands" or stuff like that. We don't buy it.

ITALIAN926

join:2003-08-16
kudos:2
Reviews:
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Because he states his opinion that anyone that purposefully breaks copyright laws, are immoral turds, that makes him a "golden boy"?. He is simply a law abiding citizen regarding this matter, and everyone else should follow the same laws. For some incredible reason, people feel justified to break these laws, and I impatiently wait for the day when it all blows up in their faces.
Everyone who feels they are morally just, anyone who believes they arent doing anything wrong by trading music/movies/software like theyre trading baseball cards, feel free to publicly state your IP address. Better yet, write a signed letter to the MPAA and RIAA telling them to go F themselves, and attach a list of all the content you COPIED, not STOLE.
Dare Ya.



Anon2218394

@sbcglobal.net

6 recommendations

reply to BF69

said by BF69:

I expect people to act like fricken grown ups with morals. If my posts are childish what is pirating something because one can't wait 24 hours? And if one wants to watch it now how come they aren't watching it on TV when it's on in the first place?

The irony of you telling people not to be "childish" is hilarious, if not completely absurd. Take your own advice sometime.

Kearnstd
Elf Wizard
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join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ
reply to BF69

I think outside the US the people are not doing anything wrong, If they are delayed by weeks or months they are not doing the wrong because they are using torrents for a problem that should not need that solution. Consumers should not be at the mercy of the suits, Suits should be at the mercy of the consumer.
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Anon333833

@sbcglobal.net

2 recommendations

reply to ITALIAN926

said by ITALIAN926:

He is simply a law abiding citizen regarding this matter, and everyone else should follow the same laws. For some incredible reason, people feel justified to break these laws, and I impatiently wait for the day when it all blows up in their faces.

Yes mister officer, I'll be sure to obey the letter of the law from here on out. The average US citizen commits 3 felonies a day after all.
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