 RexterYeeHaw
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Re: But wait I though lack of availability of content was why people pirated. Unlikely to be a true statement as you're stretching so hard you're likely to tear something. Besides, some people like me refuse to pay for media, for no other reason than to deprive the copy right holder my money. But that's neither here nor there.
Those numbers work out to .7% as many people pirated it, as watched it broadcast. The number may be big, but insignificant from a relative stand point. So no, you're wrong. This doesn't even apply to your side of the argument. Interesting, but not relevant to point you were trying to make.
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said by BF69:Because AMC re-runs the show a couple of hours later. I can guarantee they make more money in advertising from that 2nd showing than they would gain in sales buy offering it for sale right after the first showing.
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If I go to a friends house, they still don't get my money, so I'm cool with that. Either way. Further down you've made this into a matter or morals, and maturity. What I don't understand about this, is how is watching it at a friends house any different that Pirating? Either way I watch it with no compensation to the rights holder. How it it that one is immoral while the other one isn't.
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None of those work with XBMC. You know what does? Sickbeard. And unlike those, sickbeard has a theoretically complete library of any show you want. |
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said by BF69:yes let's not have morals anymore in society because that has been proven so successful in the past.
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But the really important stat would be what was the percentage of total downloads were illegal pirated copies. People steal! People shoplift items they can buy legally from a store, so they fact that there were illegal downloads tells us next to nothing. Now if for example 60% of all digital downloads were illegal, that would mean something. |
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There seems to be a severe disconnect in this country between those that have and those that don't. I see this type of behavior in most 3rd world countries I have worked in.
The haves don't care a lick about the have nots and keep building the fence higher so the have nots can't ever get to have anything, a rare few make it over the fence and the haves like it like that.
To me this is a gigantic disservice to the world, and a reason we have so many wars and fights over petty differences.
People like him remind me of the haves kicking the have nots because they can't afford a loaf of bread.
Global outsourcing has really decayed the middle and lower income families and people in the higher bracket who have cash to invest just don't care, as long as they get theirs they don't care about their neighbors. Through out history civilizations have thrived when people cared for each other, and fell when that care was lost.
Back in the day a car could run as little at $400 and fuel and insurance were really negligible expenses. Now a car that is of decent quality can run 20 to 24 K fuel $3.50 a gallon , insurance $100.
Big differences from when it was cheaper to live and when a majority of the older generation was able to gather wealth, their pay raises quickly outpaced their cost of living raises. Not the case today where cost of living quickly out paces raises, if your lucky enough to get a raise.
People like BF69 are a problem in todays society. They are jealous when others do better then them or have a better deal then they get, but are quick to look down their nose at people who don't have it as good as they do, just telling them to work harder to get what they have, when in all reality, it's not just hard work any more. It's about knowing the right people and being in the right place, as well as being lucky and working hard. This is what happens when you have finite jobs and then flood the market with cheap labor to do some of those finite jobs. You spread the wealth and it all comes back to just being lucky, not hard work any more.
Take a look at how the caste systems developed over time and we see how we are moving along. If your blind to history it will repeat itself !
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Re: But wait said by BosstonesOwn:There seems to be a severe disconnect in this country between those that have and those that don't. I see this type of behavior in most 3rd world countries I have worked in.
The haves don't care a lick about the have nots and keep building the fence higher so the have nots can't ever get to have anything, a rare few make it over the fence and the haves like it like that.
To me this is a gigantic disservice to the world, and a reason we have so many wars and fights over petty differences.
People like him remind me of the haves kicking the have nots because they can't afford a loaf of bread.
Global outsourcing has really decayed the middle and lower income families and people in the higher bracket who have cash to invest just don't care, as long as they get theirs they don't care about their neighbors. Through out history civilizations have thrived when people cared for each other, and fell when that care was lost.
Back in the day a car could run as little at $400 and fuel and insurance were really negligible expenses. Now a car that is of decent quality can run 20 to 24 K fuel $3.50 a gallon , insurance $100.
Big differences from when it was cheaper to live and when a majority of the older generation was able to gather wealth, their pay raises quickly outpaced their cost of living raises. Not the case today where cost of living quickly out paces raises, if your lucky enough to get a raise.
People like BF69 are a problem in todays society. They are jealous when others do better then them or have a better deal then they get, but are quick to look down their nose at people who don't have it as good as they do, just telling them to work harder to get what they have, when in all reality, it's not just hard work any more. It's about knowing the right people and being in the right place, as well as being lucky and working hard. This is what happens when you have finite jobs and then flood the market with cheap labor to do some of those finite jobs. You spread the wealth and it all comes back to just being lucky, not hard work any more.
Take a look at how the caste systems developed over time and we see how we are moving along. If your blind to history it will repeat itself !
That really is a stretch. While I don't agree with BF69's attitude as a whole, I do agree with his stance on piracy. I would be in total agreement with you if you were making an apples to apples comparison, but you aren't doing that. I don't think you will find any jealousy when it comes to someone downloading Breaking Bad illegally from anyone on this forum. Why be jealous over that? Now, the pirates that complain that they pirate shows like this because they don't want to wait weeks or months to get them is where the analysis comes into play.
You see, it is no longer about waiting weeks or months. Now in 24 hours the show is ready to be purchased, but yet people choose piracy instead. So if timing isn't the issue, and these people don't want to pay for cable, what is their excuse now? IMHO, its all about money. Why pay $2-$4 for something when you can get it for free after all?
I do agree with what BF69 is saying as a whole. The days of waiting weeks or months for shows like this are over. There are legal ways to obtain these shows, but 1 in 7 pirates are choosing the free option. If it doesn't come down to time, it must come down to money.
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said by BF69:Well then wait 24 hours or get fucking cable or go to a friends house.
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said by aaronwt:I'll take the $2.99 1080P, 5.1DD download from Amazon over the free BitTorrnet any day.
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said by BosstonesOwn:Back in the day a car could run as little at $400 and fuel and insurance were really negligible expenses. Now a car that is of decent quality can run 20 to 24 K fuel $3.50 a gallon , insurance $100.
$100 insurance? In NJ I pay more than that a month.
said by Nightfall:There are legal ways to obtain these shows, but 1 in 7 pirates are choosing the free option.
It was 1 of 7 pirates were in the US. I can see what is important here by the passion and volume of posts. |
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said by Nightfall:That really is a stretch. While I don't agree with BF69's attitude as a whole, I do agree with his stance on piracy. I would be in total agreement with you if you were making an apples to apples comparison, but you aren't doing that. I don't think you will find any jealousy when it comes to someone downloading Breaking Bad illegally from anyone on this forum. Why be jealous over that? Now, the pirates that complain that they pirate shows like this because they don't want to wait weeks or months to get them is where the analysis comes into play.
You see, it is no longer about waiting weeks or months. Now in 24 hours the show is ready to be purchased, but yet people choose piracy instead. So if timing isn't the issue, and these people don't want to pay for cable, what is their excuse now? IMHO, its all about money. Why pay $2-$4 for something when you can get it for free after all?
I do agree with what BF69 is saying as a whole. The days of waiting weeks or months for shows like this are over. There are legal ways to obtain these shows, but 1 in 7 pirates are choosing the free option. If it doesn't come down to time, it must come down to money.
Inside the US yes things are usually with in a few hours.
Main reason I excuse piracy of US programming outside the US is that sometimes they do have to wait in excess of a month and there is just no logical reason for that in 2013 when content can be delivered to people who want to pay for it anywhere they can acquire the bandwidth. However we still apply artificial limits based country of origin.
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It all goes full circle. The live distributors (TWC, Comcast, Dish, DirecTV, etc.) want to maintain their interest in video (and are loathe to give it up in favor of operating only their Internet access businesses). I do not know of course, but I would think their agreement to carry AMC/"Breaking Bad" includes that 24 hour rule. If you can watch the episode over the Internet within an hour or two of satellite distribution, what incentive do you have to subscribe to those comanies' video delivery services? The reason you want it right away is so that you can keep up with the discussion around the water cooler or coffee brewer the next day with your friends, and you dont have to eschew them because you don't want to hear spoilers (while you wait to be able to have it legally).
I'm saying I understand it, not that I like it.
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When Im traveling , you know the first thing I am asked ? Especially from well off tech people. What was the end of a show like ? Or What happened in a show.
Because they can't get it within hours. The major problem here is content is not released at a proper scale, sorry man but we are a global economy now, they want to use it for it's advantages but can't stomach it's disadvantages.
If We all release content at the same time ( torrents and piracy do this ) Im willing to bet piracy numbers would drop a bit, but you still will have piracy, for some people the only good price is free, trying to convert those people is next to impossible. You need to make it economically unfeasible to steal, and with the way our internet is today , that is not an easy task.
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So do I , but in the midwest the don't , I was low balling.
Right now for a New VW Passat Im paying $300 a month..... almost as much as my car payment ! Insurance is ridiculous.
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said by BosstonesOwn:When Im traveling , you know the first thing I am asked ? Especially from well off tech people. What was the end of a show like ? Or What happened in a show.
Because they can't get it within hours. The major problem here is content is not released at a proper scale, sorry man but we are a global economy now, they want to use it for it's advantages but can't stomach it's disadvantages.
If We all release content at the same time ( torrents and piracy do this ) Im willing to bet piracy numbers would drop a bit, but you still will have piracy, for some people the only good price is free, trying to convert those people is next to impossible. You need to make it economically unfeasible to steal, and with the way our internet is today , that is not an easy task.
Back when it took weeks or months to see the show, I would agree with you. Now, less than 24 hours after the show airs, people still pirate it instead of buying. Hell, there are still hundreds of thousands of people doing it now when there are legal ways to obtain the show. I really have serious doubts right now that the difference between 24 hours and immediate access is going to result in higher sales. Especially seeing the trend that we are seeing now.
As you said, for some people, "free" will always be the right price. At the same time though, I see why broadcasters, artists, record labels, and movie companies are going after these people. I fully support their efforts to crack down on people like this. I also believe they could make it even more economically feasible in order to fight piracy. Imagine if the record labels dropped their prices to .50 a song and then HD movie prices were dropped 50% as well.
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said by Rexter:If I go to a friends house, they still don't get my money, so I'm cool with that. Either way. Further down you've made this into a matter or morals, and maturity. What I don't understand about this, is how is watching it at a friends house any different that Pirating? Either way I watch it with no compensation to the rights holder. How it it that one is immoral while the other one isn't.
You are absolutely correct. they are the exact same thing. Just like listening to a song on the radio is exactly the same thing as illegally downloading it to my iPod. Thank you for clearing that up for everyone.
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kudos:1 | said by PaulHikeS2:You are absolutely correct. they are the exact same thing. Just like listening to a song on the radio is exactly the same thing as illegally downloading it to my iPod. Thank you for clearing that up for everyone.
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Sorry should have noted, it was traveling out of the states. Countries where the shows aren't available for months or even years at times.
In one country the series 24 was a whole season behind. Not to mention other shows.
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I though lack of availability of content was why people pirated. The last episode is legally available at places like Amazon, Vudu, iTunes etc so why is there so much piracy? This kind of disproves the point if you make content available people will stop pirating.
Who is operating under that fallacy? ? ? You?
I am not!!
Matter of fact this is the year..
Dropped DBS Dish level
No longer watch traditional network prime time live
I import more shows from outside the US.... and get to watch them long before their airing on US channels.. like Bron, Broadchurch, Lillyhammer, Cracked, Saving Hope (which is no longer even aired in the US)...
I am not sampling any new shows from US broadcasters, as far too often any show I like is cancelled for dreck from the reality genre, or is just so distasteful see anything from the x-nbc network.. RIP NBC 1938-2013.
How is this done...
seed box sucking in shows at 10mbs
scp to home NAS array.
Plain and simple your "legal" methods don't meet my needs from availability to cost to disruptive conent..ie: ads! Nope, don't care if the ads pay or support the show... find a better model in 2013.
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