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Re: But wait Maybe because it's not available from iTunes, Amazon, Vudo, etc. until the next day in the USA. In other countries, it's not available for weeks or months. |
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1 recommendation | said by mackieg4:Maybe because it's not available from iTunes, Amazon, Vudo, etc. until the next day in the USA. Well then wait 24 hours or get fucking cable or go to a friends house. |
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2 recommendations | Did you read the fucking article? Most were from other countries. Only 14.5% were from the USA. Geez dude, stop being so negative all the time. |
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 NOYBSt. John 3.16Premium
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That argument doesn't hold water. US was second highest and nearly equal to highest.
"18% of downloaders were from Australia, while 14.5% were from the United States and 9.3% were from the UK."
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mackieg4Premium
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Riverside, CA | If 14.5% were from USA, that means 85.5% were from other countries. Doesn't matter who the US was close to or equal to. My point is, 85.5% do not have legal access for weeks or months. |
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said by mackieg4:Did you read the fucking article? Most were from other countries. Only 14.5% were from the USA. Geez dude, stop being so negative all the time.
14.5% or 1 out of 7. Just pointing out the facts. Sorry you hate FACTS. Here's a tip if you don't like what I say they do have an IGNORE feature here. I'll save you some time just click the link and you can ignore my posts.
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I think the content owners are the ones who are losing out with the 24 hour period.
The consumer has no need to wait. They can download it a few minutes after its done airing and watch it for free. Their alternative option is to wait 24 hours and pay for it.
Seriously how did you phrase your sentence like the consumer is in the wrong? Yes pirating is wrong, but when pirating is the only given choice for those 24 hours, what decision do you expect people to make.
As for other countries. I can't understand why there's international wait restrictions anymore. With the internet once something airs on a tv stations somewhere it's basically aired throughout the entire planet. Expecting fans to wait weeks/months to watch it as asking a lot.
I'm not condoning piracy. I'm asking them to release the products everywhere at the same time. The only people getting hurt by staggering releases are the content owners. |
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| said by zod5000:I think the content owners are the ones who are losing out with the 24 hour period.
The consumer has no need to wait. They can download it a few minutes after its done airing and watch it for free. Their alternative option is to wait 24 hours and pay for it.
Seriously how did you phrase your sentence like the consumer is in the wrong? Yes pirating is wrong, but when pirating is the only given choice for those 24 hours, what decision do you expect people to make.
As for other countries. I can't understand why there's international wait restrictions anymore. With the internet once something airs on a tv stations somewhere it's basically aired throughout the entire planet. Expecting fans to wait weeks/months to watch it as asking a lot.
I'm not condoning piracy. I'm asking them to release the products everywhere at the same time. The only people getting hurt by staggering releases are the content owners.
I'll take the $2.99 1080P, 5.1DD download from Amazon over the free BitTorrnet any day. |
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said by BF69:said by mackieg4:Only 14.5% were from the USA. Geez dude, stop being so negative all the time.
14.5% or 1 out of 7. Just pointing out the facts. Sorry you hate FACTS. I'm gonna agree with mackieg4 here. Chill out dude, you're making a scene.
I don't even understand what point you're trying to make. Yes, 14.5% is 1 out of 7 and that is indeed a fact as you say. Meaning the vast majority of the pirates (6 out of 7) were outside the US, which supports the argument he was making.
Again dude, just take a chill pill. The angrier you get, the more infantile you seem. Let people complain if they want to; it relieves stress. |
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Re: But wait If you consider the number of people that live in both countries the US 14.5% is a drop in the bucket compared to Australia and the UK. |
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said by BF69:said by mackieg4:Did you read the fucking article? Most were from other countries. Only 14.5% were from the USA. Geez dude, stop being so negative all the time.
14.5% or 1 out of 7. Just pointing out the facts. Sorry you hate FACTS. Here's a tip if you don't like what I say they do have an IGNORE feature here. I'll save you some time just click the link and you can ignore my posts. » /useremail/u/1···re=START I do agree with you BF69. Those facts are very hard to refute, which is why people are getting all pissy about it.
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said by zod5000:I think the content owners are the ones who are losing out with the 24 hour period.
The consumer has no need to wait. They can download it a few minutes after its done airing and watch it for free. Their alternative option is to wait 24 hours and pay for it.
Seriously how did you phrase your sentence like the consumer is in the wrong? Yes pirating is wrong, but when pirating is the only given choice for those 24 hours, what decision do you expect people to make.
As for other countries. I can't understand why there's international wait restrictions anymore. With the internet once something airs on a tv stations somewhere it's basically aired throughout the entire planet. Expecting fans to wait weeks/months to watch it as asking a lot.
I'm not condoning piracy. I'm asking them to release the products everywhere at the same time. The only people getting hurt by staggering releases are the content owners.
I can understand the way it was years ago, when you had to wait months for a full series to be released. However, 24 hours? I think thats a little excessive. If you want immediate access, then pay for cable or Satellite. That simple.
IMHO, the consumer is wrong in this case. Its pretty simple to see. As you said, piracy is wrong, and consumers should be able to wait 24 freaking hours to get the content legally.
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I agree with what he's trying to say but not the manner in which he chooses to convey it.
I get it, I really do. I understand how satisfactory it must feel to be able to say "Hah, it's legally available like you claimed you wanted and yet piracy continues. Your argument is invalid." It's human nature to enjoy those types of "I told ya so!" moments.
But there's no need to be so condescending about it, or strongly imply the mindset of "I'm morally superior to anyone who disagrees with me." That's what I have a problem with. That is how children act, not full grown adults who should know better. |
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| said by Anon9283 :I agree with what he's trying to say but not the manner in which he chooses to convey it.
I get it, I really do. I understand how satisfactory it must feel to be able to say "Hah, it's legally available like you claimed you wanted and yet piracy continues. Your argument is invalid." It's human nature to enjoy those types of "I told ya so!" moments.
But there's no need to be so condescending about it, or strongly imply the mindset of "I'm morally superior to anyone who disagrees with me." That's what I have a problem with. That is how children act, not full grown adults who should know better.
We are in total agreement.
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Re: But wait The argument works both ways:
It's only 24 hours, release the content right away and collect your $2/ep. What's 24 hours to itunes/content owners?
From a profitibility statement I think the consumers have the stronger hand. How does AMC convince people to wait 24 hours and pay for it? Tell them its the right thing to do. lol. There the ones losing sales not the consumers because people don't want to wait 24 hours and accidently read spoilers in the headlines of news pages. |
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said by BF69:Well then wait 24 hours or get fucking cable or go to a friends house.
Or don't wait anything at all and just watch it because it's everywhere.
Not everyone has their head in the sand, get over it. |
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Glad to hear it.
Also, *satisfying not satisfactory. That typo has been bugging me for a while. |
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Re: But wait said by zod5000:The argument works both ways:
It's only 24 hours, release the content right away and collect your $2/ep. What's 24 hours to itunes/content owners?
From a profitibility statement I think the consumers have the stronger hand. How does AMC convince people to wait 24 hours and pay for it? Tell them its the right thing to do. lol. There the ones losing sales not the consumers because people don't want to wait 24 hours and accidently read spoilers in the headlines of news pages.
Very true. I cannot argue with that at all. Sounds like we both agree on each other's main points....
1. Piracy isn't the answer.
2. 24 hours isn't a big deal to wait unlike it was in the past.
3. Broadcasters should be releasing their content same day within an hour of the broadcast.
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said by zod5000:The argument works both ways:
It's only 24 hours, release the content right away and collect your $2/ep. What's 24 hours to iTunes/content owners?
From a profitability statement I think the consumers have the stronger hand. How does AMC convince people to wait 24 hours and pay for it? Tell them its the right thing to do? LOL. There the ones losing sales not the consumers because people don't want to wait 24 hours and accidently read spoilers in the headlines of news pages. Couldn't agree more. I have said it before in various posts and will say it again: there are tons of businesses in many industries that are based on premise that people want stuff and they want it now. Those that can deliver on that end up making a lot of money, or people end up getting it elsewhere as was the case here. So for AMC not to take advantage of such an opportunity with a show that is so insanely popular is just beyond stupid. And it's not like they are withholding the content because it's not ready. Yes, back in the physical media days there was a valid reason for delays: stuff was originally recorded on film, to bring it out to home video market it had to be transferred to VHS (later on DVD), then copies had to be distributed to retailers all over, which took time. This day and age almost everything is filmed in digital, so if it's ready to be shown on TV, it's also ready for DVD/Blu-ray and online distribution as well. I bet that iTunes, Amazon and other legal outlets do have copies of content ahead of time; they simply cannot distribute it sooner than studios say so due to contractual obligations.
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said by mackieg4:My point is, 85.5% do not have legal access for weeks or months
That is not true and a very incorrect assumption that only US has timely legal access. Europe for example has NetFlicks access very soon after airing. I know because someone showed me how they use a proxy to access as though they are in Europe. So that 14.5% is now up to 23.7%. Nearly 1 in 4 with timely legal access just from those two alone. Probably a stretch to assume that all of the remainder do not.
The argument still does not hold water.
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Even when it becomes available the most of the pirates will not pony up and obtain legal copy. In effect just using it to time-shift, but still paying for the content. So once again this argument is nonsense and does not hold water. Only way they will pay for it is if it is the only way they can get it.
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BF69Premium
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Re: But wait said by Anon9283 :I agree with what he's trying to say but not the manner in which he chooses to convey it.
I get it, I really do. I understand how satisfactory it must feel to be able to say "Hah, it's legally available like you claimed you wanted and yet piracy continues. Your argument is invalid." It's human nature to enjoy those types of "I told ya so!" moments.
But there's no need to be so condescending about it, or strongly imply the mindset of "I'm morally superior to anyone who disagrees with me." That's what I have a problem with. That is how children act, not full grown adults who should know better.
I in no way directed my post at anyone posting here. If anyone took it personal that's THEIR problem not mine. |
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