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historical upgrade waves left areas stuck without VDSL2

Initial state: CO-ADSL is everywhere. Then my imagining of events:

a1: ADSL to CO-ADSL2+ upgrades within the CO.
a2: CO-ADSL/2+ to IRAD/ADSL2+ hybrid-fiber (1st FTTN) build-outs.

Left mix of: old ADSL, CO-ADSL2+, IRAD/ADSL2+. Then add u-verse TV:

v1 (2007): CO to VRAD/VDSL2 hybrid-fiber (2nd FTTN) build-outs.
v2 (2007): IRAD to VRAD upgrades.

Relative upgrade costs; (excepting a2) still ongoing at low levels today?:

1x: a1, Within CO upgrade to ADLS2+ still cheapest.
10x: a2, But no recent/new build-outs of (obsolete) IRADs?
10x: v1, Highest expense to build-out hybrid-fiber FTTN.
3x: v2, Medium expense to upgrade FTTN IRAD to VRAD.

Neglecting a lot (expansion cycles/clustering, early greenfield FTTN, competition in area, mergers, FTTP, impact of near-by fiber-to-cell-tower...).

Each upgrade occurring only in select areas, leaving areas stuck in the past. Area evaluations influenced by density in CO's service area, average line distances/age, and marketing & demographics predictions of uptake & longevity of new services (esp. TV & triple-play for VDSL2 since 2007).

After an upgrade, an area may be blacklisted against evaluation for future upgrades for a while, until investment is recovered? So last CO-ADLS2+ deployments may have missed initial IRAD build-out wave, or last IRAD build-outs missed initial VRAD upgrade wave? Evaluations not continuous anyway? The more primitive infrastructure or least dense, longest lines have steepest costs to climb, may be evaluated at longest intervals?

Would like FAQ entry about (rumored) how/why past business decisions led to neighborhoods becoming stuck on something less than VDSL2. This thread to solicit inputs/corrections to lead to such.

As far as I'm, there was no IRAD to VRAD situation. AT&T either decided to go VRAD or IRAD right off the bat for a given area after legacy aDSL.

I was wandering that to.

Re: historical upgrade waves left areas stuck without VDSL2
Yeh. This area I recently moved back to has had ADSL2+ as long as I can remember. Not sure (back in 99 00 01?) if at first but surely it was ADSL. Recently a few weeks ago I was able to order Uverse, no TV/phone but I still get the mailers saying TV and all the whistles might be available. Well heck yeh I would like ~45/6+ and TV. Neighbors probably not so much, small town; Internet is just Internet ya know. There's probably a thousand other reasons there is no VDSL-like services ( I'll keep calling them to order it ) Heck I would be willing to pay for the cards or whatever if they could get me some good VDSL speeds to my premises. I'm sure I couldn't afford the Fiber (current offerings). I'm not complaining about what I got though, I like it, it's stable at 18/1 (see my thread here, Thanks ATT/BellSouth). I've used Satellite for 2 years, Dial Up and Cable at home and know how good it is right now, not counting on anything else better to come along in my lifetime at least. Honestly years ago I could have done more with a Symmetric Gig Wan than I could today LOL . (Well maybe not but you kinda smell what I'm stepping in) Give up on anything innovative or creative like that a long time ago, not possible. I don't care about YouTube or movies or P2P or Facebook, etc., all that's mostly crap in my eyes. Although movies on Netflix or Apple TV is ok once in a while (when Hollywood actually produces a movie worth watching, which is next to never these days, boring crap, we record and watch when we can with Dish). Interesting though I thought we'd never see a VRAD around here but recently it appears to be one a few miles out of town going to serve a dark area (congrats folks lol). I've never see any of this IFITL or curb stuff that I know of, I'm in the BS region. There's a few DSLAM's around. All this is hype about the Internet is a little crazy, does it matter lol? If they just slapped fiber on my house and put a meter on it I'd be fine with that, 50Mbps 300Mbps or 1Gbps, whatever. Just a resonable price, I would never use it if it was priced so ridiculous like Cell overages. Oh yeh that reminds me, have you ever thought, like Apple decides to do their own VoIP, how would that change all the Cell carriers? Just data I suppose, but interesting noless.

Sorry about the blob and anything off topic ^ LOL. Thanks

That's a good question, probably not public knowledge though. If u were AT&T, would you want to put out press releases about why they include some communities into infrastructure upgrades and leave others in the dust?

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In my accidental duplicate topic, ILpt4U implies IRADs came years after VRADs in timeline plus they are seeing new/recent deployments even residential: »Re: historical upgrade waves left areas stuck without VDSL2

I guess ATT lost its initial 2007 Milwaukee attempt to not pay TV franchise fees in: »www.jsonline.com/business/29246509.html
as now there are plenty of forum posts comparing such fees.

Regardless if it is the same or named same as cable TV franchises, their reality must include negotiating case-by-case with state/local gov, intending to pass on fees to customers, yet still sometimes for some reason fail to reach a deal (give up too much control or conditions to the gov?),
...hence IRAD instead of VRAD?

Then one subset of IRADs may represent ATT just waiting for improved gov TV terms.

Should be more about this (selectivity of U-verse TV regions) available online. Would expect Karl Bode to be all over it.

I live in Milwaukee.. from what I understand, At&t just puts the junk fees on the subscribers bill.
Incidentally, had I been on a VRAD and not an IRAD, I may have stayed with At&t as I wanted faster internet then what was available. With VDSL I could have signed up for 12 Meg internet, instead of canceling.