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kairos

join:2013-10-01

Fiber in Windsor, ON?

I'm trying to stay away from Bell, but they appear to be the fastest fiber options I have (that I can find, at any rate.) Can anyone help me out? I'm aiming for 1Gbit.



neochu

join:2008-12-12
Windsor, ON

said by kairos:

I'm trying to stay away from Bell, but they appear to be the fastest fiber options I have (that I can find, at any rate.) Can anyone help me out? I'm aiming for 1Gbit.

Unless you wanna get a commercial lease that type of residential service does not exist in Windsor.

Most you may be able to get is 50mbit through one of the cable-cos. I don't even think Bell/ other DSL providers has anything more then 10/1 within city limits at this time and within very small areas (one or two subdivisions), with lower in most places.


Guru

join:2008-10-01
kudos:2
reply to kairos

Is this for Business or Residential? Take a look at mnsi.net (neochu, seems to be using them).


kairos

join:2013-10-01

I'm currently with MNSi. Their top speed is ~7mbps (or so they tell me.)

It's for a residential home, but I'm not opposed to a business plan if needed/possible.



neochu

join:2008-12-12
Windsor, ON

said by kairos:

I'm currently with MNSi. Their top speed is ~7mbps (or so they tell me.)

It's for a residential home, but I'm not opposed to a business plan if needed/possible.

I am about 90% sure that 7/1 9or even 7/2 or 7/3 is probably the fastest DSL you can find in the city right now. I am also on that plan (which is bundled with MNSi's phone service) and it is reliable.

It depends on your line conditions as to how fast you get.

If you need more bandwidth then you will probably have to look at cable-based service (which others can chime in on). Like I said I think they max out at 50/4 or 50/5 but I haven't looked into it much because its out of my cost range.

More than that you could be looking at thousands a month. though it depends on your reason or purpose for needing 1024 mbit download.

kairos

join:2013-10-01

This is fairly disappointing. Thank you for the information though.
What's with the slow speeds across the board?



neochu

join:2008-12-12
Windsor, ON

said by kairos:

This is fairly disappointing. Thank you for the information though.
What's with the slow speeds across the board?

Windsor was ignored for the newest gen upgrades of infrastructure. Other then a few indies doing the best they can we are practically 10 years behind the rest of the province.

kairos

join:2013-10-01

Oof. That sucks.
I've been told that MNSi has been working on their infrastructure. Not sure what they were doing, though.



neochu

join:2008-12-12
Windsor, ON

MNSi has been building their own network in Windsor in bits and pieces for years. All of their equipment is connected by fibre (for example DSLAM to DSLAM) but thats not what they call "last mile" which is what your residence connects to. That is their backbone.

It allows them to increase their ability to provide their own speeds and signal equipment (DSLAMs) to more and more areas without having to borrow from Bell. They still have to use Bell's last mile to get to its customers though.

"Last mile" has multiple parts, each one having its own name and that will include telephone poles, wires, and connection boxes of all types (infrastructure). MNSi doesn't have its own "Last Mile" in Windsor as Bell has the legal monopoly to that in Ontario.

I like to use the term "naked wires" when describing how that works. It may travel on Bell Telephone wiring but its all MNSi's signals and speeds within whatever those naked wires can stably handle.

And its the condition and age of that telephone wiring that makes higher speeds hard to get here (7 or 8mbits on MNSi is a miracle for some poeple).

Because Windsor skipped out on the first and second batch of the higher speed lines (upgrading some of the last mile from copper to fibre) you see really poor speeds here. Alot of Windsor is also not optimized all that well for ADSL2+ or VDSL speeds Last Mile wise because of geography and Central office Locations.

For example, all the F2 wiring here (neighborhood level trunk lines) is still copper and likely from the 20s where many other places -- to support higher speeds--has been upgraded to fibre. Places where you see 50+ Mbit speeds will have their F1 lines (street level trunks) in fibre optic as well because of how sharply those speeds drop with copper wire length.


kairos

join:2013-10-01

Wow. Thanks for all that!
Is there any hope in the near future for our speeds to improve?



MJB

join:2012-01-29

i love how bell/rogers/cogeco in ontario canada shape the way telecom works. meaning that they are the only ones providing infrastructure...



neochu

join:2008-12-12
Windsor, ON

said by MJB:

i love how bell/rogers/cogeco in ontario canada shape the way telecom works. meaning that they are the only ones providing infrastructure...

Its because they only improve infrastructure for their retail needs only (ala abandoning some up to regulatory requirements) and not for the sake of infrastructure in general.

Though the government has the legal power to make (and pay) the incumbents to build infrastructure as they need to in the telecom act they never use it.

This is why the "functional separation" argument is so critical. It means that having a separate company for building infrastructure makes it profitable to get high speeds to everyone regardless of whomever's signal it is.

kairos See Profile
apparently in an announcement in late spring bell has set themselves to upgrade their entire Ontario footprint to "IPTV standard" {at the expense of both internet and phone service} over the next 5 years.

If you have no internet whatsoever you can do IPTV on 15/3. So take that info for what its worth for availability. To get 35/5+ you need to be within about 500m of your DSLAM one way. You can pair-bond out to about 1200m one way. After that you can probably push 15/3 to about 2200 m or so-- 2600m with pair bonding (if bell decides to pair-bond).

This is length of copper wire not walking distance mind you.

Giving their entire footprint 35/5 or more is not realistic, so take those announcements with a grain of salt, Look for more realistic options until you see it showing up in non marketing material.

Some of the Bell "insiders" have suggested this means Windsor too. But the amount of backhaul and last mile they'll have to replace and expand (double the number of JWI cabinets, replace all F2 pairs, pull thousands of km in Fibre etc) makes me think its unrealistic.


LazMan
Premium
join:2003-03-26
canada
reply to MJB

said by MJB:

i love how bell/rogers/cogeco in ontario canada shape the way telecom works. meaning that they are the only ones providing infrastructure...

It's demand... 99.95% of the internet users in Ontario are fine on, and happy with 5-10 meg service. Surfing, watching videos, email, etc...

It's an incredibly small percentage that needs 150 meg and up service; and an even smaller percentage is prepared to pay what it costs.

Instead of getting hung up on the speed; focus on the "experience" - which is to say, what do you WANT or NEED to do, that you can't accomplish with the current speed you have?

Spending Billions to provide a service with no RoI is bad business...

Of course, you could always raise 10+ million, and start a smallish FTTH provider of your own, if you really think it's that easy...

To the OP: What are you trying to accomplish? As I said above, what are you trying to do, that you can't right now... That'll help us steer you in a better direction... I believe Windsor is a Cogeco territory, so cable-based options upto about 100 meg or so should be available.


neochu

join:2008-12-12
Windsor, ON


said by LazMan:

To the OP: What are you trying to accomplish? As I said above, what are you trying to do, that you can't right now... That'll help us steer you in a better direction... I believe Windsor is a Cogeco territory, so cable-based options upto about 100 meg or so should be available.

Unless they upgraded I think Cogeco only offers up to 50 here. This was checked about 2 years ago. Others who are local with Cogeco will be able to verify.

Guru

join:2008-10-01
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said by neochu:

said by LazMan:

To the OP: What are you trying to accomplish? As I said above, what are you trying to do, that you can't right now... That'll help us steer you in a better direction... I believe Windsor is a Cogeco territory, so cable-based options upto about 100 meg or so should be available.

Unless they upgraded I think Cogeco only offers up to 50 here. This was checked about 2 years ago. Others who are local with Cogeco will be able to verify.

They offer up to 60meg. Friend of mine has 60/10 in Cogeco land.