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elwoodblues
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Rogers is going the Miniority report route

Minority report , for those that haven't seen it, was a movie (amongst other things) in which ads would be targeted towards you as you walked past them.

Rogers is planning to send texts to person as they walk buy partner retailers to entice them to come into the store.

Rogers Communications Inc. is launching a service that will help advertisers know where its wireless subscribers are, and speak to them more directly.
Rogers is the first major carrier in Canada to launch this type of marketing service. Called “Rogers Alerts,” it lets advertisers pay to know when people with a Rogers phone are near a store, and to send them text messages with promotions to entice them to shop there. The mobile carrier will announce the new service on Wednesday.

Rogers claims you have to "opt in" to get the texts which they claim won't exceed more then 4 a week.

SURE it won't and I wonder if it'll count against those that have low text msg limits?

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There are numerous apps on all the different platforms that have done and continue to do this for quite a while now. This isn't really anything new, nor is it anything even remotely close to Minority Report lol.
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elwoodblues
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Granted Minority report scanned your retina to see who you were, but this is damn close, and from Rogers? It's going to be abused.



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Don't get me wrong, I think it's silly and Rogers certainly wouldn't be top of my list of people I'd want doing this, but this is insane hyperbole. The key here is you have to opt-in. Don't?

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elwoodblues
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What hyperbole, it's a thin wedge towards something like Minority Report.
Yes you do have to opt-in for now I can see Rogers spinning some BS about saving you money on your plan (read we're not going to raise our rates this week) if you don't opt out of this plan.
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nekkidtruth
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That's actually quite silly, to be honest.
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said by nekkidtruth:

That's actually quite silly, to be honest.

I can totally see Rogers bringing out a raise increase but then turning around and saying "If you opt into this program, it'll save you $X/month off your bill"

I don't think that is a silly notion at all. Seems to be right up their alley, to be perfectly honest.


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said by rednekcowboy:

said by nekkidtruth:

That's actually quite silly, to be honest.

I can totally see Rogers bringing out a raise increase but then turning around and saying "If you opt into this program, it'll save you $X/month off your bill"

I don't think that is a silly notion at all. Seems to be right up their alley, to be perfectly honest.

And how many wireless carriers, cable television providers, content providers offer the ability to "opt-in" on coupons to knock off "$X/month" from their bill? *rolls eyes*

Yes, it's silly.

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said by nekkidtruth:

said by rednekcowboy:

said by nekkidtruth:

That's actually quite silly, to be honest.

I can totally see Rogers bringing out a raise increase but then turning around and saying "If you opt into this program, it'll save you $X/month off your bill"

I don't think that is a silly notion at all. Seems to be right up their alley, to be perfectly honest.

And how many wireless carriers, cable television providers, content providers offer the ability to "opt-in" on coupons to knock off "$X/month" from their bill? *rolls eyes*

Yes, it's silly.

Maybe not directly this, but this is new so there is no precedent. However have you ever heard of a little thing called a "bundling discount?"

The practice of knocking $X amount off your bill for doing X thing is common place among all providers, wireless carriers and content providers everywhere.

Robrr

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reply to elwoodblues

To be quite honest, I would have expected this from Google first. I expected this would be something Google would be able to do on every Android powered mobile device.

Either way, I think it is a pile of crap. I'd love nothing more than a system where I pay my money and advertisers leave me the hell alone.



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You're comparing a bundle of multiple services such as phone, Internet and cable television, to opting in on a coupon app....Wow.

I'm not defending the idiocy of this type of service, but your imaginations are running rampant.
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said by nekkidtruth:

You're comparing a bundle of multiple services such as phone, Internet and cable television, to opting in on a coupon app....Wow.

I'm not defending the idiocy of this type of service, but your imaginations are running rampant.

All I'm saying is that it's plausible. If it's going to make Rogers money with the more people that opt-in, they will find some incentive to entice users to opt-in. Is that such a stretch?

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said by rednekcowboy:

All I'm saying is that it's plausible. If it's going to make Rogers money with the more people that opt-in, they will find some incentive to entice users to opt-in. Is that such a stretch?

Some news sites are reporting it as providing coupons, not simply ads, so they might see that as incentive enough for now.

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reply to elwoodblues

Hi all, Chris from Rogers here – just to clarify, Rogers Alerts connects consumers with offers nearby from the brands they love. Consumers can opt-in as it suits them, and can opt-out anytime by simply typing “Stop.”

Also, there is no cost associated with sending and receiving text messages to or from Rogers Alerts.



elwoodblues
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I can't stand Rogers, but if I opt in and walk by a Rogers store, you'll send me an alert?

Brands they love give me a break, it's "Brands that have paid a shitload of money to Rogers so they can send texts to a captive audience".



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said by Rogers_Chris:

consumers with offers nearby from the brands they love. Consumers can opt-in as it suits them, and can opt-out anytime by simply typing "Stop."

Or opt-out by switching to a phone provider that isn't going to SPAM them simply by walking by a store. This is way too creepy.
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got_milk

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said by Ian:

said by Rogers_Chris:

consumers with offers nearby from the brands they love. Consumers can opt-in as it suits them, and can opt-out anytime by simply typing "Stop."

Or opt-out by switching to a phone provider that isn't going to SPAM them simply by walking by a store. This is way too creepy.

It's also quite pointless to me. If I'm walking past a store that I like, I'll typically be looking inside where their offers are almost always presented to me on signs and windows. Why would I need Rogers to text me with an alert?


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said by got_milk:

Why would I need Rogers to text me with an alert?

You know the answer to that. You wouldn't.

If Rogers or anyone else wants to give me free or drastically subsidized cell phone service to opt-in to intrusive advertising bull-crap like this, we'll talk. Otherwise, I pay a carrier to provide me with phone service.
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got_milk

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said by Ian:

said by got_milk:

Why would I need Rogers to text me with an alert?

You know the answer to that. You wouldn't.

It was mostly a rhetorical question.


Kardinal
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said by Rogers_Chris:

Rogers Alerts connects consumers with offers nearby from the brands they love.

That's nothing more than a direct quote from a marketing-speak press release. Brands are something that a consumer might prefer or be fond of, but "love" is just another overuse of vernacular.

....and this concept is just another battery drain by having location services on your wireless device on all the time.
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said by nekkidtruth:

And how many wireless carriers, cable television providers, content providers offer the ability to "opt-in" on coupons to knock off "$X/month" from their bill? *rolls eyes*

Yes, it's silly.

Sponsor-subsidized cell phone plan discounts. Heh.

Charge advertisers based on # of [:cough:] opted-in users.
Discount users small portion of that.
Count money.

Bloody brilliant.

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said by elwoodblues:

Minority report , for those that haven't seen it, was a movie (amongst other things) in which ads would be targeted towards you as you walked past them.

I did a proof-of-concept version of this sort of thing in Hong Kong in 1999. Didn't take out a patent, DOH!!!!


humanfilth

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»placecast.net/platform/impl.html

So this could be considered a violation of privacy laws? Based on if the person is downloading an app and not just using cell signal triangulation or GPS
I am guessing is the app(download it and not bother reading the privacy statements) uses the phones WiFi and the stores sees the WiFi to then alert and advertise.
Or in a dangerous case, the unique cell phone network ID number.

But depending on how Rogers controls your phone, it could have uploaded all WiFi MAC's of Rogers phones into the store alert databases. Opt in/opt out would be no existent.

Facebook has a program about WiFi and your bad(privacy issues) facebook app and logging into a store with your smartphone.
»blogs.cisco.com/news/facebook-an···nsumers/

In London England, there were recycling bins(with an LCD ad screen) on the street with transponders that listened for the WiFi signals of smartphones and recored the unique MAC address, to then create a database of that phone and its locations for advertising purposes.
They were shut down by the government as soon as someone noticed.
»www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/201···hing-you

Then there was Nordstrom and WiFi tracking in store. Their 'test' shut down as soon as people noticed.
»lifehacker.com/how-retail-stores···27512308

Turn off your WiFi radio when you don't need to connect to your router. And beware of 'free WiFi' and potential scraping of your unencrypted data streams.

Then there are RFID credit/bus/debit/medical/employee cards that can be read from 30 feet away, unless you keep it in a metal folder case. The terminal scanners are on low power and only read at 4 inches maximum.

We are living in the Sims and there is a little sign above your head telling the scanner who you are. Once upon a time, you had to be mugged for people to get at your personal data. But now electronic thieves are mugging you without even shivving you.

digital pickpockets.
»www.komonews.com/news/local/Digi···001.html
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yyzlhr

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How is this a violation of privacy laws? If you don't want the texts don't opt in. It's that simple.



humanfilth

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said by yyzlhr:

How is this a violation of privacy laws?

Based on if the person is downloading an app and not just using cell signal triangulation or GPS or WiFi MAC

Now the article does not say if you need to download an app, so how do they get the information that you opt in to? Is it a 100% scan of Rogers phones that only sends texts to users who have opted in? while avoiding notifying users who did not opt in.

EDITS:
So all Rogers phones are scanned(via maybe cell phone identifier?) and those who have opted in are sent messages.
Privacy violations galore. "Look how many Rogers customers wandered by your store!!!".
Even the Geo-fence provider, on their site, is avoiding telling how their patented technology works and calling it 'technology that you won't understand' in media releases.

The program works by building "geo-fences" around the store.

Edit:
»redboard.rogers.com/2013/get-hot···-alerts/
Rogers Alerts uses special geofence technology, which can be set up around participating retailers. When a mobile device on the Rogers wireless network is within a geofenced area, the subscriber receives personalized offers via text message (SMS). When you opt in for the service, you can customize your preferences to get deals tailored to your shopping preferences. The text message is free to subscribers and super easy (you don’t even need to download an app!).

»rogersalerts.ca/sho/rogers/regis···guage=en

4. Your Information.
Consent to Use of Your Location Information. The Service accesses and uses your current and historical personal location information associated with your mobile device (your "Location Information") in order to provide the Service to you. By using the Service, you agree that Rogers may collect and use your Location Information for such purpose.


»rogersalerts.ca/sho/rogers/faq.html
Q: Does RogersTM Alerts work if I have disabled 'Location Services' on my mobile device?

A: Yes, RogersTM Alerts uses your 'Rogers Network Location' to obtain your location directly from the Rogers network, making it easy for you to receive notifications from RogersTM Alerts on your mobile device.

Q: Why does RogersTM Alerts need my location?

A: RogersTM Alerts is a location-based service so in order to provide offers and information that are relevant to where you are, we must understand your current location. In order to participate in this service, you must agree to share your location via your mobile device. RogersTM Alerts uses your 'Rogers Network Location' to obtain your location directly from the Rogers network so even if your 'Location Services' are disabled you can still use the service.


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