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Re: [Plumbing] Cost of backflow device and install? BTW, how much water backs up into your basement?
What kind of land do you have there? Sand? Clay?
Water come in from anywhere else at all?
Ever hear of people around you with the foundation walls leaking, or water coming up through the slab type thing? |
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said by fartness:Basement does not fill up with "shit"... it's water, or storm water to be exact.
Well which is it?
A storm sewer or a single sewer system in your city?
A storm sewer only would mean you have a true split sewer system. One feed for grey water (storm water, run-off, weeping tile/french drain, etc) and another sewer connection to the inside of your house.
If it was storm water, it would *not* bubble up on any appliance in your house. At most it would go up into your french drain and maybe come in from around the foundation walls. Thus it is sewage from everyone around you. Which means... the diluted poopie and urine from 100 people coming up at your feet plus whatever else the storm water drags in like oil and other contaminants.
A single sewer system (also called a pseudo-split sewer system) is a *combined* storm water and sewage system.
A split sewer system separates storm water (all grey water) from sewage.
said by fartness:If I were to "do it right", what would this project probably cost? Depends on the camp you are sitting in.
Here the *right* way was to get a bunch of people together and sue the city. Cost 0$. Each and every sewer back-up till it was repaired was compensated by the city till repairs were completed.
Over there where you are the options would be:
a) Ejector system (this also handles solids.. yup... poopie!) And likely the better way to go, but this failed on people around me as well from what I read and was told.
b) Mainline backwater valve *plus* backflow valves on each basement appliance for added assurance. Roughly 400-500$ total in material, plus labour from your professional plumber extra.
If you get a quote from your plumber i'd be interested in seeing what the quote specifies and costs associated.
I thnk it's best that you maybe search this forum on what type of sewer systems exists. There are a couple of topics with in-depth detail and engineering reports. |
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said by fartness:If I were to "do it right", what would this project probably cost? I've got a good plumber who is licensed and does work on the side outside of the place he works for people he knows. Concrete sewer vault with pump and quality normally-open valve in front yard. Top cover would be pan with grass that does not show. About $8000. Overhead sewers about $12000 or so depending. |
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said by Jack_in_VA: it comes out the bottom of the toilet (ie. not the part I "shit" in). The wax ring may be shot
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said by fartness:Hmm, I'll add a little more to this.
Basement does not fill up with "shit"... it's water (urine), or storm water to be exact. It flows up my main pipe and the weakest link is my basement toilet. Said toilet starts by "bubbling" and then when it bubbles too much, it comes out the bottom of the toilet (ie. not the part I "shit" in). That then stays the weakest link and basement floods because of the toilet. I suppose I could get rid of the toilet and cap that part off, but I'd rather not.
What do you mean it comes out the bottom of the toilet (not the part you void in)?
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Basement does not fill up with "shit" (feces)... it's water (urine), or storm water to be exact.
Any water that backs up from a combined sewer system is a health hazard not to mention a mess. |
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I've got a good plumber who is licensed and does work on the side outside of the place he works for people he knows.
This is who should know the answer far, far, far better than anyone here. He should be able to give you a quote if he is a good plumber.
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said by fartness: it comes out the bottom of the toilet (ie. not the part I "shit" in). Where do you think the shit goes when you flush it? |
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Hmm, I'll add a little more to this.
Basement does not fill up with "shit"... it's water, or storm water to be exact. It flows up my main pipe and the weakest link is my basement toilet. Said toilet starts by "bubbling" and then when it bubbles too much, it comes out the bottom of the toilet (ie. not the part I "shit" in). That then stays the weakest link and basement floods because of the toilet. I suppose I could get rid of the toilet and cap that part off, but I'd rather not.
If I were to "do it right", what would this project probably cost? I've got a good plumber who is licensed and does work on the side outside of the place he works for people he knows. |
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Just to add, the Mainline product (mine is ABS, »www.backwatervalve.com/Upload/pr···port.jpg) is within that back box (that's the extra 100$) and accessible under the grey cover that is flush to the floor that you see in the last picture in the link I provided above. |
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A few years back when a few of us in fartness' situation were discussing it, the mainline product was indeed the best one there is.
The others with the flap type thing just fail (6-week failure rate due to crud build-up per engineering reports), or the pressure build-up will explode at the clean-out plug and continue to flood your basement (this happened to a guy next door to me)
The alternative would be an ejector type set-up the guy above mentions.
Also, since it's all one sewer as the guy states, does he have a functional french drain around the house connected to the sewer line? If so, where to you think the poop will flow? And will that cause an issue and blockages?
fartness obviously read my other topic where the people behind me sued the city and won (»Basement Floods. City sewer Redo), but the city also did away with a single sewer system. So french drains and sewer lines are on different runs.
However, the people in this forum at the time (a few years back) were swearing that this Mainline one would work on a pseudo-sewer system. I now have one installed (for free), but the entire system is now on a true split sewer system.
Cost? Roughly 300+$ for the valve + the box alone. Then you have to break the cement, dig, cut the pipe, install it, make sure it's level, apply the box cover and make sure it's level and flush to the floor, back-fill, re-cement. About 2 hrs labour total (+/-).
Would it withstand the pressure? It will beat out the other regular stuff, yup. The alternative is an ejector system.
Also it depends how far up he is from the sewer, and if other streets are connected to his streets sewer line. In theory, if he is 5 houses up from a street sewer and blocks his line, the people closer to the sewer will pick-up the slack and flood a bit more while he won't. Or their cheap flap type valves will just explode at the clean-out port, heh.
There are a lot of "if's" involved.
The real solution would be to get a group of people together who have flooded and seek out a lawyer to get the city to pay it all, and do a proper sewer system.
Short of that:
Ejector system, or this mainline valve (keep in mind it will back-up into your french drain (weeping tile), but this has already happened with your floods anyhow). |
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said by fartness:I see they're $200 on ebay. Not sure if they're cheaper elsewhere. If my basement filled up with shit from time to time, and something like this would solve it, my question would be is there a better one and where do I order one, not where can I get a cheaper one. Its SHIT dude, you have to clean up SHIT from the floor you walk on. You walk on a SHIT covered floor and track it to other places in your house! |
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Are you sure plastic would stand the pressure 15' below ground of the backward presssure?.... I have a flood control system in my front yard that does that...
It is located about 18' below ground where they broke the pipe going to the street, and put in this thick reinforced concrete and Iron valve, who's stainless steel flapper and bolts (that get examined and changed every 2 years) go through a >1" shaft... all encased in the concrete floor of this concrete block re-inforced underground vault, with an ejector pump to eject any water that leaves the house to the sewer system when the flap closes..... It's a pretty heavy one way valve device.
Methinks your pictured item may work once... if at all..
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Look Outside | Stole this link from another thread:
»www.backwatervalve.com/products/···lve.html
Any idea where I can buy one of those? I see they're $200 on ebay. Not sure if they're cheaper elsewhere.
Any idea what it would cost to install that, or approximate labor hours?
The stupid city has their storm water drains and sewer drains as an all in one system. If it rains hard, the rain water comes up through the sewer pipe and floods my basement. City doesn't care to fix it. They just send people out each time to tell me my sewer line is clear. Not sure if I could sue the city to get them to install one of these (or for the cost)? |
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