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haroldo

join:2004-01-16
united state
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Can/Does Apple do what Google does (snooping)?

I've read a bunch of articles about how intrusive Google is.
For example, just from snooping on your emails before you read them, they show you ads, create reminders, etc., as well, doing something like this Google Is Testing A Program That Tracks You Everywhere You Go»www.businessinsider.com.au/googl···-2013-11
As such, I've been de-googling my digital life. I've stop using gmail, I rarely use Chrome and started using Bing for searching.
For the most part, I'm totally in the Apple eco-sphere and was wondering if Apple does the same snooping, etc.
Is it all the same or is Google particularly ... nosey?

*This was not meant to start a Google v. Apple skirmish, so if I may make a request, can the replies please revolve around Apple's potential intrusive capability, etc., and not degenerate into a bash fest arguing which is better.



HiVolt
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Well im not in defense of Google, but most of their services are free, so they have to get the money somewhere, and that money is in the information they gather.

Apple's OS/Apps/Services used to cost money, but now that they are free, and said they would be free from now on, who knows...

Apple does tracking in iPhones by default, with location based iADs enabled by default, and i'm sure a whole lot of other stuff they collect... What they do with the info, who knows... That new "iBeacon" thing could be a nightmare as well, once retailers figure out how to blast you with spam.
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Thinkdiff
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reply to haroldo

It's all in black and white right here:
»www.apple.com/privacy/

Somewhat straightforward language, but it does leave a lot of leeway in how they use data, imo.

Apple does not scan your email to inform which ads you see, but they do use your location "anonymously" (which can be disabled as HiVolt said). Now some argue location data isn't always anonymous - who else would be using your phone in your house - but the history of your location is not stored on Apple's servers, which is an important difference. So it would not be possible to "connect the dots" and find out who you are from a series of locations. Location history is stored, encrypted, on your phone.
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howardfine

join:2002-08-09
Saint Louis, MO
reply to haroldo

said by haroldo:

just from snooping on your emails

There's a difference between snooping and data mining. No one reads your email but they glean information to serve content relevant to you. Some consider it a feature that they never have to look at tampon campaigns.

said by haroldo:

Google Is Testing A Program That Tracks You Everywhere You Go

Google is testing a program that tracks your purchases. Your phone and service provider already knows where you are. Tracking your purchases has been going on for time immemorial by marketers and your credit card company.

said by haroldo:

I've been de-googling my digital life. I've stop using gmail, I rarely use Chrome and started using Bing for searching.

The term you should use is crippling your digital life. There's a reason Microsoft loses a half a billion dollars per quarter on Bing.


Black_Mage
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reply to haroldo

I tried getting away from Google out of spite for Android. I can't quit Google search and You Tube. I like those 2 things too much. Bing didn't cut it for me, and what's an alternative for You Tube?



haroldo

join:2004-01-16
united state
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4 edits

said by Black_Mage:

...I can't quit Google search... ...Bing didn't cut it for me...

I've been using Bing for a few weeks now and really haven't noticed a difference.
I search and it gives results.

If one assumes Google has some results that Bing doesn't...then it stands to reason that Bing will have some results that Google doesn't.
It's not like you're going to search for George Washington and Bing will say "no results"

I tried this test »www.bingiton.com a few times and neither was significantly better nor worse. They're, pretty much, the same for the most part.

I'm not trying to advocate Bing, nor bash Google, but every now and then I like to make a complete break from old habits and try different things (sort of like reverse OCD)


Homunculus
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reply to haroldo

So long as you breathe, you're being tracked. It doesn't matter what services you use.
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reply to Black_Mage

said by Black_Mage:

and what's an alternative for You Tube?

Porn Hub ...
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Alcohol
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reply to haroldo

said by haroldo:

I've read a bunch of articles about how intrusive Google is.
For example, just from snooping on your emails before you read them

getting real tired of hearing this nonsense. email providers have been doing this since spam filtration was created. how do you think emails are put into your spam/junk filter?

give me a list of email providers that don't "snoop" on your emails.

The only thing google does differently is that they use the same data to look at keywords and show you better than generic ads.
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haroldo

join:2004-01-16
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said by Alcohol:

...
The only thing google does differently is that they use the same data to look at keywords and show you better than generic ads.

It does a lot more than that.
If you use Google Now (cards), it will pop up cards based on the content of your messages.
So, if your mistress emails you about a forthcoming tryst at a local motel...anyone innocently playing with your Google Now screen will see a pop up card with directions and traffic to the motel....maybe even a reminder to pick up flowers, liquor and possibly prophylactics.
I tried Google Now when it first came out...it's very intrusive.
Sure, only a fool leaves his account logged in, but it's one thing to be vulnerable to someone snooping through your emails...it's another to see pop up cards related to, presumably, private stuff.
I know everything is read by providers...but Google (IMHO) is a lot more obvoius (and obnoxious) about relying on your emails for content.
www.icloud.com's web page doesn't have any ads...nor, are there any relevant ads anywhere on any of Apple's web sites or platforms (yet ).


Alcohol
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said by haroldo:

said by Alcohol:

...
The only thing google does differently is that they use the same data to look at keywords and show you better than generic ads.

It does a lot more than that.
If you use Google Now (cards), it will pop up cards based on the content of your messages.
So, if your mistress emails you about a forthcoming tryst at a local motel...anyone innocently playing with your Google Now screen will see a pop up card with directions and traffic to the motel....maybe even a reminder to pick up flowers, liquor and possibly prophylactics.
I tried Google Now when it first came out...it's very intrusive.
Sure, only a fool leaves his account logged in, but it's one thing to be vulnerable to someone snooping through your emails...it's another to see pop up cards related to, presumably, private stuff.
I know everything is read by providers...but Google (IMHO) is a lot more obvoius (and obnoxious) about relying on your emails for content.
www.icloud.com's web page doesn't have any ads...nor, are there any relevant ads anywhere on any of Apple's web sites or platforms (yet ).

yes this is a great feature. i am glad google has it. saves me a lot of time.

if icloud.com has spam filter it is reading your emails

robbin
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reply to haroldo

said by haroldo:

If you use Google Now (cards), it will pop up cards based on the content of your messages.
So, if your mistress emails you about a forthcoming tryst at a local motel...anyone innocently playing with your Google Now screen will see a pop up card with directions and traffic to the motel....maybe even a reminder to pick up flowers, liquor and possibly prophylactics.

First of all, don't use your regular gmail account for communication with your mistress. Secondly, why not turn off the gmail mining if you don't want it to access your gmail account. The choice is right there in settings to customize the app for your usage.


haroldo

join:2004-01-16
united state
kudos:1

Sure, of course, and well understood.
For the most part, I'm very well aware of all features and options.
But in practical terms, I guess I prefer less blatant snooping or intrusions. I switched and all is good.



howardfine

join:2002-08-09
Saint Louis, MO
reply to haroldo

said by haroldo:

I've been using Bing for a few weeks now and really haven't noticed a difference.

How would you know?
said by haroldo:

If one assumes Google has some results that Bing doesn't.

It's the quality of the results. Having 'something' does not mean it's what you want or it's the best result. When I create new web sites for clients, I used to check in both to see when their site would show up in search results. Google would return results within hours. Bing would take weeks. And any change to the pages could take even longer.


howardfine

join:2002-08-09
Saint Louis, MO
reply to haroldo

said by haroldo:

If you use Google Now (cards), it will pop up cards based on the content of your messages.

If you buy something at your local department store, you may get an ad in your mailbox advertising related items or items at other stores that are related to your purchase. If you get one credit card, you get offers for other credit cards. This has happened since forever. Nothing new.


howardfine

join:2002-08-09
Saint Louis, MO
reply to haroldo

said by haroldo:

I switched and all is good.

So you think Bing isn't tracking you, eh?
Huffington Post and many others
quote:
But before you decide it's time to use Yahoo! or Bing instead, you might be interested to know that they're often doing the exact same things as Google, despite Bing's infamous "Scroogled" ad campaign.


haroldo

join:2004-01-16
united state
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said by howardfine:

said by haroldo:

I've been using Bing for a few weeks now and really haven't noticed a difference.

How would you know?

I find the stuff I'm looking for. I'm more interested in the content, not the specific site that is delivering it.

said by howardfine:

said by haroldo:

I switched and all is good.

So you think Bing isn't tracking you, eh?...

I know I'm being tracked...it's the obtrusiveness of the way they deal with the info they get.
Hey, to each they're own. I may come back to the Google system some day, but for now, I'm trying other stuff.


howardfine

join:2002-08-09
Saint Louis, MO

said by haroldo:

I find the stuff I'm looking for. I'm more interested in the content, not the specific site that is delivering it.

That's the point. Google has far more content that's up to date than Bing.


jimothy

@sbcglobal.net
reply to haroldo

google's entire business model is based on violating your privacy and selling advertising based on your personal data.

apple's entire business model is based on selling high margin hardware

end of story



howardfine

join:2002-08-09
Saint Louis, MO

said by jimothy :

google's entire business model is based on violating your privacy

Absolutely false! In what way does Google mishandle your private matters? Do they read your email? No. Do they disclose things about you to others and identify you? No. Can anyone buy any information from Google about you personally? No.
said by jimothy :

and selling advertising based on your personal data.

You mean like every marketer and credit card company out there? Sure. Companies have been doing that since time immemorial.