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defcon_1

join:2013-10-19

HAM radio NSA?

Can the NSA tap into HAM radio transmissions as well?


dave
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Since radio is a broadcast medium, "tapping into" it seems rather straightforward.



Steve
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reply to defcon_1

I'd be more worried about the FCC than the NSA; the former can take your license away.

Steve — KA8CMY, General class
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jadinolf
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So true.

W6OHI



Anav
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reply to defcon_1

Green eggs radio is a different matter entirely.

I don't understand the premise of the question as HAM radio to my limited knowledge is broadcast in the clear and as such is probably the first type of traffic NSA or whomever probably recorded.



Name Game
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I doubt they bother with monitoring all amateur radio transmissions but the question has been asked before in a long thread at eham you might be interested in reading »www.eham.net/ehamforum/smf/index···=90675.0

"NSA -- The ONLY branch of government that actually listens to the people!"



Helios
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reply to defcon_1

Any radio frequency can be listened into by anyone, if they possess the proper equipment. Are you afraid of transmitting something that contravenes ITU or FCC regulations?


voxframe

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reply to defcon_1

There's nothing for them to really "tap" into. Everything you do in ham radio is wide open for everyone to publicly hear... And if you're doing anything to scramble/encrypt it (asides from an "open" digital mode) you're breaking the terms of your license. (At least from my understanding of it)

You may as well ask if they can tap into your "communications" while you stand on your roof with a huge megaphone screaming at the top of your lungs, the answer is "Well duh! Of course"



Anav
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Apparently the old Campbell soup can and string is the new way for US citizens to communicate privately, oh drats I forgot they can probably read the oscillations in the string.



jadinolf
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We use Progresso Soup now.



antdude
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reply to defcon_1

Can't it be encrypted before going OTA?



Steve
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said by antdude:

Can't it be encrypted before going OTA?

In the United States (at least), such would be a violation of your amateur radio license, which requires everything be in "plain language"
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Dude111
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reply to jadinolf

You shouldnt post your callsign buddy,someone could look up your info!!



Steve
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Re: being smart enough to be in the internet

Um, you realize that every post I've ever made for more than 10 years has had a link to my personal information (including my callsign), as well as my personal website, whose "contact" link has my home address and phone number, and that I'm probably more qualified than most to determine how to properly interact with the rest of the universe? You realize this, right?

Are you suggesting I'm not qualified to make that call?
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Name Game
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Re: HAM radio NSA?

FCC Considering Proposal For Encrypted Ham Radio

»tech.slashdot.org/story/13/06/26···am-radio



Steve
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Proposal != The Law; I hate this idea.

Steve — who nevertheless hadn't heard of this, and needs to keep up better with QST
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reply to defcon_1

By FCC law, you can't transmit something that is illegal or would fallow inside what NSA are "monitoring". If you transmit something of interest for NSA I bet the FCC would be interested to know too. So yes they probably listen and their is nothing wrong about that.


Kearnstd
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reply to defcon_1

If it crosses the air waves you or someone else can pick it up as well. Its why when one really needs to move "eyes or ears only" information its done on foot and all transfers are via sneakernet.
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dib22

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reply to defcon_1

said by defcon_1:

Can the NSA tap into HAM radio transmissions as well?

It is not tapping when you are transmitting it in the clear (although some judges don't seem to understand that when related to wifi, while they have no issues when it's a cordless phone).

I most certainly promise you all radio spectrum is being recorded and stored (and most likely has been since the late 50's). For some interesting reading check out Number Stations and Letter Beacons.


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reply to Steve

said by Steve:

said by antdude:

Can't it be encrypted before going OTA?

In the United States (at least), such would be a violation of your amateur radio license, which requires everything be in "plain language"

Interesting. I am surprised they don't do that for Internet. :P
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Re: ‏

said by Dude111:

You shouldnt post your callsign buddy,someone could look up your info!!



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howardfine

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reply to vitesse

Re: HAM radio NSA?

Breaking news. The NSA isn't monitoring anything except suspected bad guys. The NSA drags for data and uses computers to sift through it looking for bad guy stuff. That is not the same thing as some guy sitting in a back room listening to your every word.

Even then, the drag net is targeted. iow, not all data or areas are being captured.

Now, back to your lives. Nothing that affects you is going on here.


Secyurityet

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said by howardfine:

...some guy sitting in a back room listening to your every word.

And trust me -- they can't pay anyone enough money to do that.


Robotics
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reply to Name Game

said by Name Game:

FCC Considering Proposal For Encrypted Ham Radio

»tech.slashdot.org/story/13/06/26···am-radio

Thats all they need is more "noise" on the HF band
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Doctor Olds
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reply to Steve

said by Steve:

said by antdude:

Can't it be encrypted before going OTA?

In the United States (at least), such would be a violation of your amateur radio license, which requires everything be in "plain language"

You could use two obscure language speaking people at each end like this.

»www.navajocodetalkers.org/the_code/
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DrStrange
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reply to Name Game

This was rejected by the FCC.

»www.arrl.org/news/fcc-dismisses-···petition



DrStrange
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reply to Doctor Olds

Yes, this would be fine as long as they identified their stations in English.



captokita
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reply to howardfine

said by howardfine:

Breaking news. The NSA isn't monitoring anything except suspected bad guys.

LOL! You keep telling yourself that bud, one day you might even believe it. =)


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reply to Dude111

Re: ‏

said by Dude111:

You shouldnt post your callsign buddy,someone could look up your info!!

lol, he's legit.

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reply to howardfine

Re: HAM radio NSA?

said by howardfine:

The NSA isn't monitoring anything except suspected bad guys

the problem is with who is defining who the "bad guys" are..