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robertf390

join:2011-04-16
Nesconset, NY

The Weather Channel - New Graphics starting today

For those interested, the Weather Channel has introduced new graphics today. The SD channel has the local on the 8's in VHO-5 for NYC, Farmingdale and Hartsdale, as before with different design. Also, as before, the HD channel still gets the National version which is useless.

I reached out to both Verizon and The Weather Channel as to why the HD channel cannot get the local version, as many of us only watch HD. The Weather Channel claims Verizon doesn't want to pay for the local version and decided for a s/t fix by having that dopey local forecast widget (the one that has inaccurate info most of the time - particularly radar images).

Since the HD service has been available for 6 years now, its time for Verizon to step up and provide the local data on HD - not just for convenience but if a serious weather situation comes up quickly and you are only paying attention to the HD channels, you could be in a dangerous situation. Verizon claims to have the state of the art technology - this should be a no-brainer and easy to provide!


JeepMatt
C'mon the U
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join:2001-12-28
Wilmington, DE
kudos:3
Robert-
Comcast refuses to pay for the HD Intellistar's as well.

Meanwhile, small MSO's in Central PA offer it...
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bsangs

join:2002-08-21
Montclair, NJ
kudos:1
Reviews:
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reply to robertf390
Not trying to be a d-bag, but in the era of internet, smart phones and tablets, who regularly uses the TV for weather forecasts anymore? That's probably why they don't want to shell out extra for an HD channel nobody really watches. Hell, from what I've seen lately, TWC itself is about as much about actual weather as MTV is about music videos.


bohratom
Jersey Shore is back again.

join:2011-07-07
Red Bank NJ
reply to robertf390
said by robertf390:

its time for Verizon to step up and provide the local data on HD

Sure, long as they bill you for the cost....


nycdave
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join:1999-11-16
Melville, NY
kudos:17

2 recommendations

reply to robertf390
As JeepMatt already explained, this isn't getting solved any time soon and it isn't unique to Verizon. TWC requires all MSO's to have very expensive HD Intellistars installed in each headend. In Verizon's case, this would require an HD Intellistar in every VSO - costing many, many millions.....Verizon doesn't want to spend the $ which then gets passed on to every customer.

robertf390

join:2011-04-16
Nesconset, NY
Hi Dave / Jeep -

Thanks for the responses - I was told via email from TWC each unit costs $6,000 which is why I questioned why we didn't have it yet. Clearly if it cost millions as you say, it not reasonable.

I'd be happy to forward you the email he sent me if you want to dm me - they should not be passing out inaccurate info. It's from Robert Farmer. The whole point of this new roll-out was to provide local info 24/7 - even during commercials which made it seem practical.

And as Jeep says, Comcast doesn't offer it either, which is hard to understand since they own TWC via NBC Universal.

sbernstein5

join:2005-01-18
10024-5650
reply to robertf390
I used to care about this, about 5 years ago. But now instead of waiting for the "Weather On The 8s" I can hit weather.com or The Weather Channel iPhone cellphone app, and get the same info exactly when I want it. So really, what would be the value in the investment for Verizon?


aaronwt
Premium
join:2004-11-07
Woodbridge, VA
reply to robertf390
said by robertf390:

For those interested, the Weather Channel has introduced new graphics today. The SD channel has the local on the 8's in VHO-5 for NYC, Farmingdale and Hartsdale, as before with different design. Also, as before, the HD channel still gets the National version which is useless.

I reached out to both Verizon and The Weather Channel as to why the HD channel cannot get the local version, as many of us only watch HD. The Weather Channel claims Verizon doesn't want to pay for the local version and decided for a s/t fix by having that dopey local forecast widget (the one that has inaccurate info most of the time - particularly radar images).

Since the HD service has been available for 6 years now, its time for Verizon to step up and provide the local data on HD - not just for convenience but if a serious weather situation comes up quickly and you are only paying attention to the HD channels, you could be in a dangerous situation. Verizon claims to have the state of the art technology - this should be a no-brainer and easy to provide!

FiOS needs to just dump the SD version.


matcarl
Premium
join:2007-03-09
Franklin Square, NY
said by aaronwt:

FiOS needs to just dump the SD version.

But the SD version is the one showing the local weather.


CELTICPRIDE

@verizon.net
I know i'm in the minority but i dont even want much less own a smart phone ,I prefer to watch tv on a big screen television through a AV receiver and 5.1 surround sound. I cant even conprhend watching a tv show on a cell phone but a 8'' tablet maybe.

bsangs

join:2002-08-21
Montclair, NJ
kudos:1
Reviews:
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said by CELTICPRIDE :

I know i'm in the minority but i dont even want much less own a smart phone ,I prefer to watch tv on a big screen television through a AV receiver and 5.1 surround sound. I cant even conprhend watching a tv show on a cell phone but a 8'' tablet maybe.

Talking about weather forecast though, not a TV show. You really need the 5-day forecast on a big screen in surround sound?

sbernstein5

join:2005-01-18
10024-5650
Yeah...it's just text and some music. Nothing too exciting or more exciting than what's available on the "Weatherscan" channel in SD


Thinkdiff
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join:2001-08-07
Bronx, NY
kudos:11
reply to robertf390
said by robertf390:

Hi Dave / Jeep -

Thanks for the responses - I was told via email from TWC each unit costs $6,000 which is why I questioned why we didn't have it yet. Clearly if it cost millions as you say, it not reasonable.

I'd be happy to forward you the email he sent me if you want to dm me - they should not be passing out inaccurate info.

If we take what Dave said - need one unit per VSO (FiOS TV equipped central office), it is easily many millions.

I don't think the number of Verizon VSOs is public knowledge, but here's a list of the central offices just in south east PA:
»www22.verizon.com/wholesale/atta ··· tePA.pdf
Now some of them are closed or virtual or might not have FiOS, etc. But the point is Verizon has a lot of COs to cover one geographical area. I estimated roughly 70 per page at 6 pages. That's $2.5 million at the price TWC sent you. Not hard to imagine it would cost a ton to cover the entire FiOS footprint - and the ROI is basically zero.
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thetick

join:2009-06-22
White Plains, NY
reply to sbernstein5
5 years ago this would have been great. Now it's a waste of money and unnecessary cost that would passed to all consumers and only benefit the very few users without a smartphone. If the HD equipment was real cheap like a few hundred dollars at each VHO sure.. but not the millions low volume electronics costs.


DrDrew
That others may surf
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join:2009-01-28
SoCal
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If it were only needed in the VHO, no problem thats just a few, but Local on the 8's would be the same for that entire VHO. What's the point of even doing that?

For close to accurate Local on the 8's every VSO would need one.
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brahunter

@verizon.net
reply to robertf390
If a serious weather condition comes up I ain't waiting for weather channel local on the 8 for info. Like during sandy every local network has better coverage than weather channel can provide.


nascar

join:2000-02-28
Verona, NJ
kudos:3
Don't agree. The Weather channel was spot on days out.

said by brahunter :

If a serious weather condition comes up I ain't waiting for weather channel local on the 8 for info. Like during sandy every local network has better coverage than weather channel can provide.



JeepMatt
C'mon the U
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Wilmington, DE
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reply to DrDrew
said by DrDrew:

For close to accurate Local on the 8's every VSO would need one.

I can tell you, the Intellistar's are NOT at the VSO's, only at the VHO.

That is why, for instance here in Northern DE - the local forecast on the Weather Channel and Weatherscan always centered around Philly (since that's where the hardware was - I saw the actual server). Then after some complaints they tweaked the settings to eventually swap in forecasts for Delaware, and then up north towards Trenton on a rolling basis.
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ansky

join:2009-05-18
West Orange, NJ
reply to robertf390
With the way the local newscasts hype the weather, you don't need a smartphone, internet, or the Weather Channel. Two nights ago the top story on the local news was about how cold it will be the next 2 days. And if there is even the remote chance of any kind of severe weather there will be scrolls going across the bottom of the screen, beeping, etc.

bsangs

join:2002-08-21
Montclair, NJ
kudos:1
Reviews:
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said by ansky:

With the way the local newscasts hype the weather, you don't need a smartphone, internet, or the Weather Channel. Two nights ago the top story on the local news was about how cold it will be the next 2 days. And if there is even the remote chance of any kind of severe weather there will be scrolls going across the bottom of the screen, beeping, etc.

I know, right? They were outside reporting in the flurries - that weren't even sticking to the ground! - like it was the start of some sort of blizzard. It flurried for about 20 minutes. Ridiculous.


matcarl
Premium
join:2007-03-09
Franklin Square, NY
I can't believe how weather forecasters over-react when we get a couple of cold days. We have been so spoiled by all these above normal temperatures, that people forget what it should be like at this time of year. It's supposed to start getting cold now, it's almost December. But I bet they won't say anything this weekend when we are 15 degrees above normal again. No one remembers what the weather should be like anymore. I didn't need my heat this year until a month later than normal. The leaves didn't start falling until a month later than normal either. But of course, no mention of that.


Nezmo
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join:2004-11-10
Coppell, TX
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said by matcarl:

I can't believe how weather forecasters over-react when we get a couple of cold days. We have been so spoiled by all these above normal temperatures, that people forget what it should be like at this time of year. It's supposed to start getting cold now, it's almost December. But I bet they won't say anything this weekend when we are 15 degrees above normal again. No one remembers what the weather should be like anymore. I didn't need my heat this year until a month later than normal. The leaves didn't start falling until a month later than normal either. But of course, no mention of that.

Try being in TX. When it rains here it's top of the news with a roving reporter standing at some intersection with cameras showing water on the road.
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billhere

join:2011-10-21
Santa Monica, CA
reply to robertf390
Last year we got less than five inches of rain in Southern California.

There's not much need for the Weather Channel out here.


JeepMatt
C'mon the U
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Wilmington, DE
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Well, ironically just read news today that Comcast IS in progress of adding HD LOT8's.

Already hit Chicago, and all areas will have it by end of Q1 '14
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bohratom
Jersey Shore is back again.

join:2011-07-07
Red Bank NJ

2 recommendations

said by JeepMatt:

omcast IS in progress of adding HD LOT8's

O NO, have to cancel my FIOS now and get Comcast no matter the price....


icemannyr1

join:2001-04-11
Township Of Washington, NJ
A FiOS customer was talking via Twitter with TWC CEO and he said FiOS is in the testing phase for the IS2 for HD local forecasts on TWC HD and in about 3 months they should be up and running.
»twctoday.com/forums/twc-and-your ··· 113/#new

ansky

join:2009-05-18
West Orange, NJ
said by icemannyr1:

A FiOS customer was talking via Twitter with TWC CEO and he said FiOS is in the testing phase for the IS2 for HD local forecasts on TWC HD and in about 3 months they should be up and running.
»twctoday.com/forums/twc-and-your ··· 113/#new

3 months = 1 year in Verizon world

thetick

join:2009-06-22
White Plains, NY

1 recommendation

said by ansky:

3 months = 1 year in Verizon world

And just in time to justify an extra fee and jack up the package prices. Personally I would rather not have Verizon add this if it ends up in price increases. It's 2014, weather is on your cell phones, tablets and computers.


RScottyL

join:2004-12-28
Irving, TX
Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS
reply to robertf390
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dcowboy

join:2012-05-10
Pequannock, NJ
Thats not local....isnt that what we have already have now ?