HiVolt Premium Member join:2000-12-28 Toronto, ON |
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Re: ITMP undue preference complaint filed against BellJF always has a good zinger or two in his submissions... hehe |
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Anon
2014-Mar-5 10:25 pm
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Yours was a superb read, Ben. Less scarey than what I first thought after seeing some Latin. it, umm, it appears you are "laser focused". I'm not sure if you, in a round about reserved way, called them out as a cartel. CRTC will be in a sore place to ignore much of what was stated there. Or to explain any counter decision. On to Videotron, want to see if what they state backs up what they told me. The rest tomorrow. |
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Anon
2014-Mar-5 10:26 pm
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said by HiVolt:JF always has a good zinger or two in his submissions... hehe ALWAYS! |
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bklass Premium Member join:2012-02-06 Canada |
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Thanks videotronanon-chan. j'ai besoin de cours de français avant que je peux comprendre l'argument de videotron: ( |
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le hm
Anon
2014-Mar-6 9:48 am
said by bklass:Thanks videotronanon-chan. j'ai besoin de cours de français avant que je peux comprendre l'argument de videotron: ( ah, videotron more or less says the service is innovative, doesn't lesson competition and your filing has no merit (along with PIAC's). More or less towed the Rogers line in a nicer way. I expected more. If you want a better than google translation, feel free to ask. But it seems your french is pretty damn good as is. |
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Le hm
Anon
2014-Mar-6 10:21 am
lol I spewed coffee on my KYBD. I opened David Ellis' filing. Somewhere around the first paragraph is his URL, so I clicked on it before reading more. This picture pops up stating: " The internet is fucked. But we can fix it" LOL had coffee coming out my nose. Didn't expect that. It hurt. coffee stains on my shirt :/ Quite the character he must be. Wonder if the CRTC will see the lulz in that? His filing asks some good questions. Man this guy must be quite the character to pull that one off. Hope the CRTC staffers are wearing white shirts. |
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resa1983 Premium Member join:2008-03-10 North York, ON |
resa1983
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2014-Mar-6 11:29 am
David's awesome. |
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bklass Premium Member join:2012-02-06 Canada |
bklass
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2014-Mar-6 12:11 pm
Yeah I find his blog posts a welcome and refreshing approach to telecom issues. He definitely has a way of expressing the everyman view while maintaining the authority of an expert. |
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MaynardKrebsWe did it. We heaved Steve. Yipee. Premium Member join:2009-06-17 |
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Ellis's comment:
12. Bell describes its Mobile TV in glowing terms, calling it among other things an innovative, consumer-oriented broadcast service. Its difficult to see what is consumer-oriented about Mobile TV, unless the consumers in question are happy to confine all their online video consumption to Bells service. Otherwise, Mobile TV is simply another in a long line of ISP-controlled walled gardens that began in the late 1990s with AOL, hardly what deserves to be described as innovative.
Walled gardens have their origin long before AOL. Compuserve began in the mid/late 1970's and was THE 800lb gorilla in the walled garden market until the internet came along.
Various and sundry other commercial services also existed through the late 1960's and onwards - GEnet, and others, mostly specializing in applications via subscription & data transfer between commercial trading partners. |
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HiVolt Premium Member join:2000-12-28 Toronto, ON |
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said by bklass:Yeah I find his blog posts a welcome and refreshing approach to telecom issues. He definitely has a way of expressing the everyman view while maintaining the authority of an expert. I find it refreshing that more individuals are getting involved in these issues... It of course started with JF many years ago, with more people such as yourself, and others joining to help the cause. Incumbents certainly aren't liking this. |
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MaynardKrebsWe did it. We heaved Steve. Yipee. Premium Member join:2009-06-17 |
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said by le hm :videotron more or less says the service is innovative, Of course it's innovative ..... the incumbents take what's invented elsewhere by engineers & computer scientists who actually make the equipment which makes it possible. Then the incumbents tie the NIH (not invented here) equipment & software, to their billing systems. But here's the truly innovative part - the incumbents then turn the billing meter up to the "Rape" setting, cloak themselves in the Maple Leaf, and say "Lie back and think of Canada [and the shareholders]". |
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bklass
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2014-Mar-6 1:44 pm
In my academic alter ego I've been casually exploring the relationship between Innis' staples theory - that Canada traditionally exports unfinished goods and imports finished goods, to the detriment of the development of the national economy - and radio spectrum.
It certainly enables the import of what you're calling NIH - could we consider the deployment of spectrum as a input to the production of finished goods produced by the likes of Apple, Huawei, and Samsung?
Seems unfortunate that attempts to spur Canadian innovation, (does Nortel count?) and Blackberry have traditionally floundered. |
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I thought it was interesting that, for all their harping on the greatness of their "Canadian services" and how they provide much needed revenue for the poor starving programming producers, none of the program producers showed up to support the WSPs' cause. However, a fairly large number of independent individuals, most of whom are experts in their respective fields, showed up to support neutral traffic management practices. And CNOC too! |
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MaynardKrebsWe did it. We heaved Steve. Yipee. Premium Member join:2009-06-17 |
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said by bklass:In my academic alter ego I've been casually exploring the relationship between Innis' staples theory - that Canada traditionally exports unfinished goods and imports finished goods, to the detriment of the development of the national economy - and radio spectrum.
It certainly enables the import of what you're calling NIH - could we consider the deployment of spectrum as a input to the production of finished goods produced by the likes of Apple, Huawei, and Samsung?
Seems unfortunate that attempts to spur Canadian innovation, (does Nortel count?) and Blackberry have traditionally floundered. Add Avro, Gerald Bull, MacMillan-Blodell, Inco. Alcan, Falconbridge, Zenon Environmental, and a host of others to that list, that have either been crushed by Canadian policies, or consumed by non-Canadian buyers. Of course we've also had our share of unadaptive/poor management too - Mitel, Nortel, to name but two. We probably won't have long-term truly successful industries until we hit a population base of 70-80MM |
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elwoodbluesElwood Blues Premium Member join:2006-08-30 Somewhere in |
If we increase the population that much, they'll be living in the middle of BF nowhere,the cities won't be able to handle them., |
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MaynardKrebsWe did it. We heaved Steve. Yipee. Premium Member join:2009-06-17 |
said by elwoodblues:If we increase the population that much, they'll be living in the middle of BF nowhere,the cities won't be able to handle them., We're ~80-90% urban anyway. Here's what we do - cities across the country like London double/triple in population by getting denser, cities like Toronto bulldoze Etobicoke & Scarborough and build more densely, and places like Mississauga we just bulldoze and let go fallow because they're beyond saving. |
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elwoodbluesElwood Blues Premium Member join:2006-08-30 Somewhere in |
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Then you start taking away single family homes and putting up "CONDOS CONDOS CONDOS". Not my cup of tea to live in a box in the sky (unlike latte swilling, downtown elitist you are ) |
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MaynardKrebsWe did it. We heaved Steve. Yipee. Premium Member join:2009-06-17 |
said by elwoodblues:Then you start taking away single family homes and putting up "CONDOS CONDOS CONDOS".
Not my cup of tea to live in a box in the sky (unlike latte swilling, downtown elitist you are ) More like espresso-swilling elitist, and no condo for me - just a big house in Forest Hill. Now be a good fellow and run along and do as I say, not as I do. |
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resa1983 Premium Member join:2008-03-10 North York, ON |
resa1983
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2014-Apr-4 4:25 pm
Interrogatories are in, and they're awesome. Sample of some of the questions: quote: Provide two diagrams: the first one describing how content (e.g. a TV show) is delivered to a Bell Fibe TV subscriber and the second one describing how content (e.g. a TV show) is delivered to a Bell Mobility subscriber. The diagrams should detail all similarities and differences between these two services.
Please describe the overall network architecture from video source ingestion (live or recorded) to display on smartphone/tablet.
Is the Bell Mobile TV app content differentiated from any other Internet traffic on Bells wireless network? If so, where on the network is it differentiated and separated?
Does Bell Mobile TV app content watched on a smartphone/tablet get a higher priority than other Internet content on Bell Mobilitys wireless network? Are there any optimization or overload mechanisms in place to ensure a better quality of service? If so, please describe.
Given that the first 10 hours of RAP-TV mobile service app usage does not count toward the Rogers wireless subscribers wireless data plan and costs $5, the offer seems more advantageous for the RAP-TV mobile service app compared to other third party apps. a) Explain how Rogers wireless subscribers are not subject to an undue preference in regard to their data usage when they access RAP TV mobile service app.
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MaynardKrebsWe did it. We heaved Steve. Yipee. Premium Member join:2009-06-17 |
Hey Resa, JF, Ben
So, if, as, and when the CRTC forces Bell et. al. to roll-back their criminal undue preference, are you going to ask for: a) massive CRTC fines being levied against Bell et. al.? b) massive financial compensation to other ISP's/cell carriers whose business has been impeded by Bell et. al.'s undue preference? c) a Competition Bureau hearing if the CRTC cannot levy fines directly?
I'd be looking for something in the order of $1B+ in aggregate fines/compensation as a reasonable figure to wind up at actually being paid by each of Bell, Rogers, Videotron. |
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rosenqui
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2014-Apr-4 6:16 pm
I'd rather see the telcos forced to drop their data rates/overage charges across the board to match their mobile TV rates. According to Ben's original document, Bell's mobile TV rates are about $1/GB.
How silly is it that most of us are paying more per MB of mobile data than we were a year or two ago. Mobile data seems to be one of the few areas of technology that defies Moore's Law (according to telcos pricing anyway). |
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MaynardKrebsWe did it. We heaved Steve. Yipee. Premium Member join:2009-06-17 |
I want to see them punished for their continued arrogance, and then of course I'd link to see rates fall too. |
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Le hm
Anon
2014-Apr-4 11:51 pm
I like this one: 6- In the See Full Details description of the Rogers Anyplace TV app on Rogers website (»www.rogers.com/web/conte ··· yplaceTV), it is mentioned that "data usage may apply to some advertising appearing with on demand content viewed through the app." Please elaborate on 1) the reason why data usage may apply to some advertising appearing with on demand content and 2) how the customer can differentiate this consumption from the hours of content included within the $5 package.For Videotron, the CRTC should have asked: if english people want to watch an english movie and not just Videotron's french only movies @30-hrs for 15$, why do english people pay more? Even then, I know lots of french people who only watch enlgish tv. Seems anything english on mobile = financial penalty with Videotorn. A form of discrimination there, which is supposed to be against the act. |
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MaynardKrebsWe did it. We heaved Steve. Yipee. Premium Member join:2009-06-17 |
said by Le hm :Seems anything english on mobile = financial penalty with Videotorn.
A form of discrimination there, which is supposed to be against the act. That'll be the subject of yet another CRTC proceeding, a Human Rights Tribunal, and who knows what other set of agencies, with the Quebec language police on the side of Videotron. |
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resa1983 Premium Member join:2008-03-10 North York, ON |
resa1983
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2014-Apr-25 5:02 pm
First of the Interrogatory answers are in. First up, Rogers! Print screened Appendix C from powerpoint so you guys can see it without that software. That'll be the one image with black borders. |
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2014-Apr-25 7:13 pm
Talk about avoiding the detail of the questions with Verbal Diarrhoea. And of course, we're so good for offering this that every transgressions should be ignored.
They've been at the Koolade again. |
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resa1983
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2014-Apr-25 7:14 pm
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Bell Canada's response. |
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2014-Apr-25 7:15 pm
And Videotron, who did a single pdf. |
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MaynardKrebsWe did it. We heaved Steve. Yipee. Premium Member join:2009-06-17
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Rogers A10 on pg.11 While Rogers understands why some might argue that the RAP-TV mobile service is being offered to wireless subscribers in a manner that constitutes a preference, it is clear that even if there is such a preference, it does not reach the level of being undue.
Mobile television is at a nascent stage in its development. Today, very few consumers actually use their mobiledevices to watch significant amounts of full-length video content. The price point that we have established for the RAP-TV mobile service simply reflects the low consumer demand that currently exists for the service.
Translation: Yes, we are giving ourselves a preference - but it's not undue .... because we say it isn't. However, dear CRTC, don't worry ... we're going to rape our customer base later - as we always have, and we'll do even worse to any indie or anyone else who wants content OTT. After all, if demand goes up, so should the cost to the customer - even if our costs per unit of delivered content goes down. How the fuck else to you think we can pay our executives the obscene amounts of money that our Board of Directors toss at them like it was simply confetti at a parade? They do this in the US and we slavishly ape what the US does- it's the Canadian way. |
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Anon
2014-May-6 12:21 pm
and bell says mobile tv is not important to them " Mobile TV continues to be important for Bell. They now deem themselves as Canadas Mobile TV leader and increased subscribers to 1,335,000, up 67% from last year. " » mobilesyrup.com/2014/05/ ··· cribers/ |
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