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doesntgetit

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Small bugs in kitchen?

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Hi, I'm having a weird problem. I just moved into a condo and there are these weird small bugs all over the kitchen. They don't appear to be roaches. They seem to come from the walls and the cabinets.
The thermostat in the kitchen was full of bugs. I pulled it off the wall and emptied its faceplate out...and more bugs crawled from the wall. I put it back together and there were none in the thermostat for a few days and now there is this weird bug...see attached photo. What is happening? It is ONLY in the kitchen and has happened since before I even moved in or moved my stuff in. I don't imagine it's a dirt issue because the place is clean. Thanks...


John97
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Termite?


doesntgetit

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That was a thought, but then why would they be confined to the kitchen only...no other rooms at all? The bugs are normally brown in color, this is the first clear one. The thermostat was full of small bugs, did not look like ants though. The bugs I usually see are the same size as the one in the picture but are brown and are randomly flying or running around the room. The cabinets, even inside the dishwasher. It is disgusting.


pfak
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reply to doesntgetit
Time to get an exterminator in ...
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zacron
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reply to doesntgetit
That is a German Cockroach that has molted and lost it's skin.

You should be calling a pest control specialist.
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doesntgetit

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Ew! I'll try to take pictures of the other bugs when I see them. Since these were here upon moving in, is the landlord liable? I slept here for two nights before moving ANY stuff in and I saw them, so I don't think I brought them...


norbert26
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reply to doesntgetit
They are cockroaches. When you mention some fly it sounds like a southern state like florida that has roaches that fly.

Dodge
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reply to doesntgetit
my approach would be nuke first, figure out who's liable later.


norbert26
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reply to doesntgetit
need to add if the building is infested (likely) the building needs to be bombed or the roaches will run to another unit and just return.


garys_2k
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+1 on that, if you just bomb your place the bugs will move to others that haven't been, then will move back later anyway. If that happens expect your neighbors to be REALLY happy you evicted your "squatters."


doesntgetit

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Caught more... Grossed out...


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reply to doesntgetit
I lived for years with those critters in an apartment in Brooklyn, but your photos are starting to creep me out. That's quite an infestation you have there. Have you checked the dark corners of your bathroom yet? I'll bet you've got them there, too.

You say the place you just moved into is a condo, so I guess that means your landlord (the owner) would need to get the condo association to do extermination building-wide. With an infestation like that, it's a good idea for the association to just do a regular spraying in all the units (I think every six months is what's normally recommended) as part of general building maintenance.

However, whether that will actually happen is another matter. At my Brooklyn place, my landlord owned the building, but in typical NYC slumlord fashion, the building wasn't sprayed regularly. If a tenant complained enough, he'd send in the super with some messy yellow powder which made you figure you were probably better off living with the roaches.

If you can get your landlord and/or the condo association to get serious about dealing with this infestation, that's awesome, and I hope that's how it works out for you. If not, you'll just have to do what you can to keep the roaches out of your food and out of your sight. Traps and boric acid at entry points will help some. I'm not sure how you'd deal with the ones coming in from behind the thermostat, though - I'm not sure it'd be safe to squirt boric acid back there where there's electrical wiring.

When you're ready to move out, you're going to have to be careful not to bring some of them with you.
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Jack_in_VA
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said by MsTerra:

When you're ready to move out, you're going to have to be careful not to bring some of them with you.

Ready to move out? I would have been out of there already.


garys_2k
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No kidding! Bye bye, bugs.

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reply to doesntgetit
Your landlord would be responsible to provide exterminating services unless there is a specific clause in the lease that states you agree it is your responsibility since the landlord must provide you with a dwelling that is habitable. Roaches would be considered an uninhabitable situation.

Whether the Condo Association would bare any responsibility would depend on the State you live in. In the State of New Jersey, the Condominium Act would place the owner as responsible for treating pests, except in the case of wood boring insects in which case the Association is responsible.

From your description and pictures you have a very bad infestation that will be difficult to correct since it is likely affecting other units in your building. It would be easier to break the lease due to the inhabitable conditions and find yourself more suitable housing. If you do end up moving treat all of your personal possessions before moving them to a new location.


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That's really bad, because roaches hate to be out in the light. The fact that so many are means that it's just too crowded in the dark places.

This would take tenting the whole building and displacing everyone for almost a week. Run away, break the lease and demand your security deposit back. You're already out the money it will cost to clean your possessions before relocating them.


MsTerra
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said by Jack_in_VA:

said by MsTerra:

When you're ready to move out, you're going to have to be careful not to bring some of them with you.

Ready to move out? I would have been out of there already.

Depends on the local housing market, really. The user doesn't give a location, so it's hard to judge whether s/he has a lot of other options, even assuming that s/he could easily get away with breaking the lease on account of the bugs. Just because the laws on the books appear tenant-friendly, that doesn't mean that a tenant isn't going to have to go through an enormous amount of hassle to get them enforced.

My favorite of all the apartments I've lived in happened to have roaches in the kitchen. I am not a dirty person, and I didn't enjoy having them, but it was a nice apartment (light, spacious, and more-than-adequate heat included in the rent - a real score in my part of the country) in an otherwise well-managed building, so I put up with them. The place in NYC - well, vermin of all kinds are common there, and the rental market is tight enough that tenants routinely put up with a lot of crap. (I got fed up enough with it that I moved back to Boston. Other people really do love NYC, and they're welcome to it.)

The OP needs to do a cost/benefit analysis. Without knowing the specific circumstances, I would not be so quick to just say "get out of there!"
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jrs8084
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Well, the HVAC sticker points to the location being around Lafayette, Louisiana.

Edit: He does appear to be renting.


MsTerra
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Also, they appear to be connected via Lafayette's community fiberoptic network, so there you go.

I should think that if they had purchased the condo, the home inspection would have picked up on that roach infestation.
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doesntgetit

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Yep, I'm renting in Lafayette, LA. I don't really see them in the light, I just happened to remove the thermostat cover and got a picture before they ran. It's only in the kitchen. None in the bathrooms or any of the other rooms. It's bizarre.

I will be calling an exterminator.


natedj
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reply to doesntgetit
This brings back memories of living in a German roach infested rental in Florida.
They multiple faster than rabbits and because of their size, they explore any and every crevice they could find to make it their home. The problem will only get worse if no action is taken, like I said they multiply rapidly. It got to a point that if we wanted anything to be roach free we had to store it in the refrigerator. You could just imagine the weird crap that got housed in the fridge.

They seem to love electronics too, I think it is because of the warmth it provides. Get on the offense now, and continue to do periodic bombings/fogging at least until you can better your situation and move.
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nonymous
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reply to doesntgetit
If they have been there any length of time think how many dead generations are in the walls.


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said by nonymous:

If they have been there any length of time think how many dead generations are in the walls.

I roll my eyes at horror films. . . but this is creeping me out when you start thinking about the insulating R value of roach filled walls.

I have a coworker who has a relative who had a serious roach problem. His solution: move a chicken in the house to eat them. Yikes.

nonymous
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said by jrs8084:

said by nonymous:

If they have been there any length of time think how many dead generations are in the walls.

I roll my eyes at horror films. . . but this is creeping me out when you start thinking about the insulating R value of roach filled walls.

I have a coworker who has a relative who had a serious roach problem. His solution: move a chicken in the house to eat them. Yikes.

I have known some rental apartments that have had infestations that bad or worse for many many years. Yes i dont want to think about the extra insulation in the walls.
If you have breathing issues it may not be good even somewhat sealed in the wall.


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said by pfak:

Time to get an exterminator in ...

only suckers pay for exterminator services

You can Do It Your self very easy and Permanently get rid of them in 1 to 6 months (hatchlings)for $20-40 depending on the square ft

»www.walmart.com/ip/Combat-Platin ··· 11027377

several of these placed around the house (use 3-5 under the fridge)
1-2 under the sink
2-3 in each bathroom
2 to 8 in the living room

4-8 in each bedroom depending on the size

»www.walmart.com/ip/Combat-Source ··· 11027376

nonymous
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Problem is the joint condos. Plus with this bad of an infestation a pro may be worth it. Though if renting they should pay it.


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said by nonymous:

Problem is the joint condos. Plus with this bad of an infestation a pro may be worth it. Though if renting they should pay it.

YES but the tube poison will spread to the other roaches after they consume the "dead roaches" It's a never ending chain of DEATH...

pros use the exact same stuff..

this will wipe them out...

Also use Diatomaceous Earth and Boric Acid using that with the poison is bugs death.

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Don't use boxes or bags to move. I use covered plastic barrels with locking lids. Mattresses are a problem too. Get a zipped heavy plastic mattress cover and use it now. You won't be sorry.
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habya
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Yeah...we had a problem with those suckers moving into an apartment a couple years back. Apparently the previous tenants had them and the company thought they were all gone (Cook's was handling the pest control). It was actually a mix of American and Germans.

Well, after being there for a VERY short time they were starting to get right back in. Now that people were there and new food sources I assume. This was even after all the professional treatments.

The only way we were able to get rid of them was just staying 100% on top of it. Went around every crevice and entry way into the living spaces and filled every tiny gap (caulk was very handy!) I could find after giving some boric acid into the area. Made sure drier vent etc was sealed well. Hoses, anything that goes into the wall, seal it up. Even outlets they can get through. If they get through vents you can look at mesh under the plate (helps with the adults).

Also, be sure to clean up any living areas you may find their droppings in - very easy to notice in cabinets. This attracts other roaches; so clean, clean, and clean some more. It's also useful to identify where they hang out to strategically place any poisons/bait.

Check cabinets, behind book shelves and other places. The tiniest spot they might enjoy; we found a number of roaches liked to hang out under the sink in the sprayer hose housing; if you yanked it out real fast you would catch them otherwise they'd just sit on the side-wall or move as you pulled it out (pretty gross).

Also keep all food like flour, cereals, rice, etc were put into plastic sealed Tupperware-like containers. No fruit left out in the fruit basket. Basically everything at all possible sealed away.

Even with the main infestation gone, it still took months to resolve satisfactorily. Cook's was out every couple weeks to reapply the liquid spray and check the baits.

All the poisons in the world does not guarantee it will be resolved quickly, especially with close by neighbors who may very well just keep bombing you with bugs. So insulate your space as best you can, make them want to go somewhere else, and never ever ever relent (even after exterminators are there)!

Edit: One other note, if you're using gel-like baits, you can also put dabs of them inside of wall plates. Hopefully exterminator would do this if necessary, but if you're doing yourself it can help as well. This was done here. That way ones in the wall, or hanging out like you had in your thermostat would get a nice "tasty" treat.
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