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mixdup

join:2003-06-28
Birmingham, AL
Reviews:
·Charter

?

Doesn't the FCC have pole-sharing regulations, and many states/cities/FCC/other jurisdictions force power companies to share their poles and also regulate the rates? What about cable companies in Austin? Do they not have the same rights to AT&T poles as Google? Seems like they could/should all be following the same rules. Don't tell me there are separate Time Warner poles, AT&T poles, and electrical poles in Austin


Simba7
I Void Warranties

join:2003-03-24
Billings, MT

4 recommendations

said by mixdup:

Seems like they could/should all be following the same rules.

When has at&t EVER followed the rules, besides their own?

dfxmatt

join:2007-08-21
Evanston, IL
reply to mixdup
Here's the thing.

Google more than likely is technically a telecom company, after the Provo, Utah situation.


tshirt
Premium,MVM
join:2004-07-11
Snohomish, WA
kudos:5
Reviews:
·Comcast

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said by dfxmatt:

Google more than likely is technically a telecom company...

Not their primary business, perhaps if they spun off the fiber/access part and it had to stand alone (even if wholly owned) for financing and operations.
AND registered in each city and state as a telecom, following the same rules/paying the same fees as other telcos/cablecos.


chip89
Premium
join:2012-07-05
Independence, OH
reply to Simba7
That whould be Never for AT&T!

dfxmatt

join:2007-08-21
Evanston, IL
reply to tshirt
There is no such requirement that it has to be their primary business - and they do indeed follow the same rules and regulations AND work them out city to city, that was a requirement for them to pick up what they did and do.

TBBroadband

join:2012-10-26
Fremont, OH
Reviews:
·AT&T U-Verse
·MegaPath
reply to mixdup
It depends on the states and the company that owns the poles. In many states the company has to be a CLEC to attach fiber to the poles or pay even more than a CLEC or Power company.

The FCC only has guidelines in place when states do not. But I believe those require the company to be a CLEC as well if they are not a power company.

TBBroadband

join:2012-10-26
Fremont, OH
reply to dfxmatt
But are they a licensed telecom in Texas???

dfxmatt

join:2007-08-21
Evanston, IL
Is there even such a requirement in Texas? Don't play the "prove a negative" trolling.
Expand your moderator at work

WhatNow
Premium
join:2009-05-06
Charlotte, NC
Reviews:
·Time Warner Cable
reply to Simba7

Re: ?

There is more then just attaching another cable to the poles. One question is Google going to maintain their cable placement. Are they going to act like TWC and when their cable needs to be transferred because a pole is replaced everybody sits around for months waiting for TWC to do their transfer so the job can be completed. I have seen AT&T give up and do the transfer for free. Which is what TWC wants to happen.
I have read Google has found building a network in KC from scratch is harder then they expected. Google got an exemption to place their cable closer to the power then any other company.

If Google takes a space on a pole it on longer available to anyone else. AT&T could find they no longer have a place on their own poles for their own fiber on their own pole.

What really needs to happen here is one company (this would be best if it was a 3rd party) would place and own the fiber and lease the single fibers to any content provider. That way the poles would look cleaner because they only have power and the fiber cable. This should be easier since Austin owns 80% of the poles. Is Google getting a better deal then AT&T or the cable company?


jluthman

@inxnet.net
reply to Simba7
"but only if users are willing to have all of their web behavior monitored with deep packet inspection."

What a terrible non objective choice of words. When readers see this, the first thing that comes to mind is that their traffic is being watched by some agent at the NSA. That is not what DPI does. It simply helps shape the data so the links aren't consumed by a few ruining the experience for the many.


Koreni

@trombare.be
reply to Simba7
So ATT invest billions in infrastructure and now they have to let a competitor swoop in and have right of way? I don't care for corporations but it seems the consumers are the whiners in this case!

megarock

join:2001-06-28
Catawissa, MO
reply to Simba7
Strange approach considering how hard AT & T is trying to lobby so it can ditch it's copper ant POTS lines yet cries when someone else comes in to put lines up instead of throwing them away.

F*** AT & T.

davidhoffman
Premium
join:2009-11-19
Warner Robins, GA
kudos:3
reply to Koreni
The AT&T poles are in the city's right of way, not on AT&T owned property. This is an interesting piece of proposed regulation as it changes the assumptions one might have made about who gets to dictate what one must comply with when one uses a city owned right of way.

Chubbysumo

join:2009-12-01
Superior, WI
reply to jluthman
actually, it says outright that they will do behavioral monitoring and DPI, along with injected ads and targeted ads based on your web history(which they say they may collect). It is actual monitoring, which may or may not be legal.


tigerpaw509

join:2011-01-19
reply to Simba7
This is a little misleading.Citys owning telephone poles?Not in Illinois and if they did Att would have no say as they would be a tenant on the pole not owner.My guess for Illinois is that 95% of the poles are power poles.Power wires are always on top(Totem pole effect)and telco's attach next(paying the power company for 1/2 the pole.Next comes Cable tv which also has to buy into the pole.

Telephone pole has become a generic term so if you see a pole with electric and telepone and catv its really a power pole.

Att being afraid of Google?it's more like att would love Google to take over landlines(another generic term) to help booster there exit to 100% wireless.

WhatNow
Premium
join:2009-05-06
Charlotte, NC
Reviews:
·Time Warner Cable
If the poles are owned by the power and telco in many areas they try for each to have half the number of poles that were joint use.. At the end of the year they write a check for the difference. That plan worked much better before buried cable when all cables were on poles or in manhole runs.


fg8578

join:2009-04-26
Salem, OR
reply to dfxmatt
On the contrary, google is doing everything in their power to NOT be classified as a telecom company.


Simba7
I Void Warranties

join:2003-03-24
Billings, MT
said by fg8578:

On the contrary, google is doing everything in their power to NOT be classified as a telecom company.

So are cable companies.