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Mr Matt
join:2008-01-29
Eustis, FL

Mr Matt

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Spies don't know their ass from their elbow.

Spies were certainly ineffective at stopping the Boston Marathon Bombers even after being tipped off by the Russians. Demonstrates the futility of unlimited data collection and incompetence on the part of the spies. There is certainly another motive for monitoring the communications of all American Citizens! Call it Hooverism.

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Anon

said by Mr Matt:

Spies were certainly ineffective at stopping the Boston Marathon Bombers even after being tipped off by the Russians. Demonstrates the futility of unlimited data collection and incompetence on the part of the spies. There is certainly another motive for monitoring the communications of all American Citizens! Call it Hooverism.

One example doesn't make a rule. And failures are public and successes invisible in the spy business.
54761437 (banned)
join:2013-01-18
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54761437 (banned)

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Failures might be public in the PRIVATE spy business, but not in the GOVERNMENT spy business. As with all things the federal government has its tentacles in, failures are covered up as much as possible with the help of an agreeable media. Obama, nor his administration, has been held to account for anything in the same way previous Presidents have been. Eventually, the rats will either have to go down with the ship or flee and face the consequences.
Timothy28
join:2006-05-13
Lewisville, TX

Timothy28

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You mean like how George W. Bush was held accountable for all the illegal things he did? Oh wait he wasn't your point is moot.
firedrakes
join:2009-01-29
Arcadia, FL

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Bill Neilson
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join:2009-07-08
Alexandria, VA

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As someone who can not stand most of the NSA snooping, the idea that "spies" are ineffective is absurd. How can you argue this when you have no idea what they have stopped behind the scenes?
CXM_Splicer
Looking at the bigger picture
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join:2011-08-11
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CXM_Splicer

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Well, he was speaking specifically of the Boston Marathon; there is no doubt they were ineffective at stopping that.

As for how many might have been stopped behind the scenes... K. Alexander testified at an oversight hearing that there were 'one or perhaps two' terrorist incidents detected by the mass surveillance. He said it's not about the numbers, it is a 'peace of mind' program.

TSWYO
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I could care less what they do behind the scenes. Do it the right way. Not on the backs of citizens and foreigners it has no right to collect data on.

amarryat
Verizon FiOS
join:2005-05-02
Marshfield, MA

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said by Timothy28:

You mean like how George W. Bush was held accountable for all the illegal things he did?

Like what?
Rekrul
join:2007-04-21
Milford, CT

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said by 54761437 See ProfileObama, nor his administration, has been held to account for anything in the same way previous Presidents have been.[/bquote :

You can't hold the first black president accountable for anything. That would be racist!!!!!!!

54761437 (banned)
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54761437 (banned)

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said by Rekrul See Profile
You can't hold the first black president accountable for anything. That would be racist!!!!!!!
[/bquote :

Ding ding ding!

Timothy28
join:2006-05-13
Lewisville, TX

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You do realize his administration started the NSA wiretapping spying we are discussing. Not to mention war crimes, torture of prisoners, lying his way into war. Ignoring warnings about 9/11, The 13 other terrorist attacks on embassy's and consulates while he was in office with dozens killed. Yet, the current administration gets raked over the coals for Benghazi. If you asked me this question with a straight face shame on you.

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Anon

said by Timothy28:

You do realize his administration started the NSA wiretapping spying we are discussing.

LOL. NSA spying started back with Harry Truman in 1952 and was already wiretapping everything before then. The NSA was preceded by army intelligence and other predecessor agencies all the way back to 1917. »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Na ··· decessor

»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ma ··· eillance

During World War II, first the War Department and later the Office of Censorship monitored "communications by mail, cable, radio, or other means of transmission passing between the United States and any foreign country".[4] In 1942 this included the 350,000 overseas cables and telegrams and 25,000 international telephone calls made each week.


amarryat
Verizon FiOS
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Marshfield, MA

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I did ask with a straight face, and haven't seen anything besides talking points in your response. Such as lying his way into war. I'd love to hear that one.