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aefstoggaflm
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What is the point of adding a forwarding rule and then enabling it?

I have a router with Gargoyle firmware on it and I was wondering, what is the point of adding a forwarding rule and then enabling it?

Please tell me what I am missing: If a person did not want the port forwarding rule enabled they wouldn't have made it in the first place.

Thank you

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said by aefstoggaflm:

I have a router with Gargoyle firmware on it and I was wondering, what is the point of adding a forwarding rule and then enabling it?

Please tell me what I am missing: If a person did not want the port forwarding rule enabled they wouldn't have made it in the first place.

Thank you

So they can forward a port.

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It's handy to be able to turn a rule off when you're not using it and turn it back on with a single click rather than have to remember the IPs/ports involved and recreate it when needed. For example, if I play some game once in a while that needs to act like a server, but prefer to leave those ports unforwarded when not using it.

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I am guessing you mean NOT enabling it? There would be no point.
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2nd Ray See Profile 's comments... I rather like this design than an "on or off"-only solution set to things.
Alot of enterprise level gear has this option in some form or fashion so that you can quickly switch
between configurations on the fly, if need be.

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This.... It is a lot easier to reenable a rule when you need it than having to enter it every time. Also less chance of fat fingering something and either have to go back and fix it or open up more than what you want.

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The basic premise of object oriented designe. It s a bit of work up front, but powerful flexibility to make complicated changes rapidly down the line. One word, flexible response, okay two words.

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As a parent I can give you a use. Kids misbehave, turn off the ports needed for their games. Then when the punishment period has ended turn it back on with one click.

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Reply to all: I am not sure if you are confused, just to be clear.

#1 User adds the rule

#2 Then the user must enable if (it is disabled by default).

#3 What is the point of the rule not enabled by default?

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said by Ray:

It's handy to be able to turn a rule off when you're not using it and turn it back on with a single click rather than have to remember the IPs/ports involved and recreate it when needed. For example, if I play some game once in a while that needs to act like a server, but prefer to leave those ports unforwarded when not using it.

I agree with that, but that is not what is going on.
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I suspect (from bitter experience) that the purpose is to give the user a chance to review the created rule for typographic errors before enabling it.

I can tell you that it is a real pain to have to take down the router and reset to defaults to regain access to it.
That has happened more than once when "someone" fat-fingered a 0 for an O, or a 1 for a l, or ...

Simply good practice - just like the "confirm delete" messages you probably see (and hate) all the time.

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said by Spensergig:

I suspect (from bitter experience) that the purpose is to give the user a chance to review the created rule for typographic errors before enabling it.

I can tell you that it is a real pain to have to take down the router and reset to defaults to regain access to it.
That has happened more than once when "someone" fat-fingered a 0 for an O, or a 1 for a l, or ...

Simply good practice - just like the "confirm delete" messages you probably see (and hate) all the time.

#1 I point to and quote from

pcwintech.com -> Support Forums -> General & Misc Forum -> General & Misc. -> Answer found-What is the point of adding a forwarding rule and then enabling it?
quote:
Yes but we are talking about a port forwarding rule, no port forwarding rule could bring down a router and make a need for a reset if you mis typed something

»www.pcwintech.com/what-p ··· nutshell

#2 Nice, interesting post/reason but still does not make any sense both to Shane and I.
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Also it allows you to create rule sets that may go in to effect in the future when new equipment is added and you are just getting everything ready so that you don't have to create everything THAT day. All you would need to do is ENABLE those rules and you are done.
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#1: I am not happy that you decided to post my comments on some other forum that I know nothing about. That was the absolute height of arrogant appropriation and misuse of the help I was trying to offer. Please do not EVER do that again. Further, please copy this comment to that thread, since I do not have posting privileges there.

#2: Many experienced programmers (and after 40+ years, I consider myself one) have learned that a consistent style leads to better outcomes. If there is a possible bad outcome from creating a (generic) rule, it is a good practice to encourage the operator to recheck his work before implementing it. Some rules may not be as critical, but the first time you screw up remote access to a router that is 5000 miles away, you'll learn that caution is a good thing. Rookies make mistakes because of ignorance. Experienced operators still make mistakes, but try to have a fail safe or fallback plan.

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said by Spensergig:

#1: I am not happy that you decided to post my comments on some other forum that I know nothing about.

I only posted a link to the thread with the only detail of who posted the answer to the question. Shane took what you posted and posted it. I took Shane's reply and posted it over here.
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said by aefstoggaflm:

Reply to all: I am not sure if you are confused, just to be clear.

#1 User adds the rule

#2 Then the user must enable if (it is disabled by default).

#3 What is the point of the rule not enabled by default?

Thank you

I do that all the time.

1) The target may not be ready yet.
2) The DNS entry may not be ready yet
3) It needs to be tested, but not go in production until later.
4) disabling a rule is the fastest way to shut down a service

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All good responses. If one is afraid of mis appropriation don't post on a public forum.
I would only add that some routers ( a cisco one I used in the past) allow one to check all rules by a self processing algorithim which simulates traffic. Thus one could decide to invoke a port forwarding rule for testing purposes at an appropriate time vice immediate implementation. I have locked myself out of the router to many times to want anything to be automatic. Heck are we all Bill Gates trained to hit the (OKAY or ACCEPT) key.

I think the premise of your question is excellent as often we blindly follow processes and do not understand how the processes were derived, came to being the way they are. Many GUI or MMI interfaces have become defacto standards vice a trial and error basis because they have been proven to work, are statistically relevant etc... Notice how windows and Mac products have blurred together in their MMI approaches. Just think how we first used debit cards and all forgot that damn card at Canadian Tire because the little machine did not burp at us and allowed the cashier to open up the till if the card was still in the machine.........

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Reply to All -

Upon testing: The rule is enabled by default if using a stand alone browser (for example IE) but is disabled by default if using »www.simpleportforwarding.com/

Upon reflection the error has something to deal more with the program.