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Re: Series 4 TiVos are still being supported

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Tivo and Comcast mutually decided to halt the deployment of VOD after about half of the pop was done. ATL is in the non-VOD half.

Good news GTFan See Profile:

Comcast & TiVo Resume Xfinity On Demand Rollout
By Dave Zatz, Zatz Not Funny! - December 19, 2013
»www.zatznotfunny.com/201 ··· rollout/

It's coming to Arkansas and Kentucky next, but hopefully Atlanta soon.
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FYI - A blog entry of interest today for TiVo supporters/users:

TiVo Co-Founders Prep ‘Qplay’
By Jeff Baumgartner, Multichannel News - December 30, 2013
»www.multichannel.com/blo ··· ay’
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On the MCN site this morning:

TiVo To Demo Network DVR Prototype At CES
Says Approach Can Help Operators Develop Catch-Up Services, Splice Targeted Ads Into Recorded Shows

By Jeff Baumgartner, Multichannel News - January 7, 2014
»www.multichannel.com/dis ··· s/147521

EDIT: This press release by TiVo today is probably one of the motivations for this:

TiVo Reveals Second Screen Viewing Behavior
TiVo Press Release, Marketwired - January 8, 2014
»www.marketwired.com/pres ··· 7125.htm
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Re: [TiVo] TiVo Roamio Series News

Some interesting TiVo news items on the Zatz Not Funny! blog site recently:

TiVo Android Streaming: “In The Coming Months”
By Dave Zatz, Zatz Not Funny! - January 14, 2014
»www.zatznotfunny.com/201 ··· -months/

and:

TiVo Coming To Roku?!
By Dave Zatz, Zatz Not Funny! - January 15, 2014
»www.zatznotfunny.com/201 ··· ng-roku/
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TiVo: We're Still In The Hardware Biz

An interesting article on the MCN site tonight:

TiVo: We're Still In The Hardware Biz
Says It's Not Abandoning Boxes Amid Report That Company Laid Off The Bulk Of Its Industrial Design Team

By Jeff Baumgartner, Multichannel News - January 22, 2014
»www.multichannel.com/dis ··· z/147829

EDIT: Also on the TVPredictions.com site:

Will TiVo Stop Making Set-Tops?
By Phillip Swann, TVPredictions.com - January 23, 2014
»www.tvpredictions.com/ti ··· 2314.htm
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Re: [TiVo] TiVo Roamio Series News

More news about TiVo’s upcoming cloud-based services:

TiVo To Buy DigitalSmiths For $135 Million
TiVo To Add Content Discovery And Recommendation Service To Its Cloud-Based Platform

By Jeff Baumgartner, Multichannel News - January 29, 2014
»www.multichannel.com/dis ··· n/147973
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TiVo to be deployed on Evolution-made HD-DTAs

While this is being developed for Vyve Broadband (formerly BCI Broadband), it's interesting general TiVo news:

Vyve Teams With TiVo
Deal Centers On First Pairing Of TiVo Service With Evolution-Made HD-DTA Boxes

By Jeff Baumgartner, Multichannel News - February 25, 2014
»www.multichannel.com/dis ··· o/148513
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Comcast to expand Xfinity On Demand for TiVo to all markets

said by telcodad:

said by GTFan:

Tivo and Comcast mutually decided to halt the deployment of VOD after about half of the pop was done. ATL is in the non-VOD half.

Good news GTFan See Profile:

Comcast & TiVo Resume Xfinity On Demand Rollout
By Dave Zatz, Zatz Not Funny! - December 19, 2013
»www.zatznotfunny.com/201 ··· rollout/

It's coming to Arkansas and Kentucky next, but hopefully Atlanta soon.

 
More good news GTFan See Profile! In TiVo's press release yesterday on their 4Q2013 results (»investor.tivo.com/phoeni ··· =1903930), they reported that Comcast plans to expand Xfinity On Demand for TiVos to all their markets:
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[Tom Rogers, President and CEO of TiVo, said] "we are also pleased that Comcast has committed to expanding our successful integration of Xfinity On Demand to their entire footprint. This integration on the Roamio and Premiere platforms has been an important one for us, as the robust Xfinity library, along-side traditional TV channels and web content delivers a one-stop shop for home entertainment. Market-by-market rollouts are occurring now, with full scale deployment in all U.S. markets -- including Chicago, Atlanta and Houston -- expected to be complete by June 30, 2014."
There's some more Comcast/TiVo news in this MCN article late yesterday:

TiVo Profits On New MSO Subscriber Record
Sales Rise In Fourth Quarter, But Miss Analysts' Estimates

By Jeff Baumgartner, Multichannel News - February 26, 2014
»www.multichannel.com/dis ··· d/148553
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said by telcodad:

said by telcodad:

said by GTFan:

Tivo and Comcast mutually decided to halt the deployment of VOD after about half of the pop was done. ATL is in the non-VOD half.

Good news GTFan See Profile:

Comcast & TiVo Resume Xfinity On Demand Rollout
By Dave Zatz, Zatz Not Funny! - December 19, 2013
»www.zatznotfunny.com/201 ··· rollout/

It's coming to Arkansas and Kentucky next, but hopefully Atlanta soon.

 
More good news GTFan See Profile! In TiVo's press release yesterday on their 4Q2013 results (»investor.tivo.com/phoeni ··· =1903930), they reported that Comcast plans to expand Xfinity On Demand for TiVos to all their markets:
quote:
[Tom Rogers, President and CEO of TiVo, said] "we are also pleased that Comcast has committed to expanding our successful integration of Xfinity On Demand to their entire footprint. This integration on the Roamio and Premiere platforms has been an important one for us, as the robust Xfinity library, along-side traditional TV channels and web content delivers a one-stop shop for home entertainment. Market-by-market rollouts are occurring now, with full scale deployment in all U.S. markets -- including Chicago, Atlanta and Houston -- expected to be complete by June 30, 2014."

 
OK, Xfinity On Demand for TiVo should be available in every Comcast market now:

Comcast, TiVo Complete VOD Connection
MSO Now Offers Xfinity On Demand Via Retail TiVo DVRs In All Markets

By Jeff Baumgartner, Multichannel News - July 9, 2014
»www.multichannel.com/new ··· n/375794
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Comcast confirmed Wednesday that the MSO has completed the integration of its Xfinity On Demand service with certain retail-bought TiVo DVRs in all Comcast markets.

Completion of that integration has been expected. After putting that plan on pause last year, TiVo announced in February that it and Comcast had since resumed that work and expected to wrap up the deployment in all Comcast markets, including leftover such as Chicago, Atlanta and Houston, as early as June 30, 2014. A Comcast official said all markets are on board as of today (July 9).
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Comcast, TiVo Working On Non-CableCARD Approach

FYI - An article on the MCN site last night:

Comcast, TiVo Working On Non-CableCARD Approach
To Support Comcast’s Linear TV & VOD Mix on TiVo Boxes Sans Security Modules

By Jeff Baumgartner, Multichannel News - July 15, 2014
»www.multichannel.com/new ··· h/375989
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TiVo and Comcast have agreed to collaborate on a two-way, non-CableCARD security platform that would enable TiVo boxes bought at retail to access Comcast’s full lineup of linear programming as well as the MSO’s video-on-demand service.
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TiVo and Comcast, which disclosed the agreement in an FCC filing dated July 14, didn’t go into explicit technical detail on how the non-CableCARD approach would work, though it's possibile that the intended approach would use a downloadable version of video security. But they did note that Comcast will make the solution available to other cable operators “on commercially reasonable terms.”

Under the agreement, Comcast customers that wish to use TiVo retail devices to access Comcast’s full suite of cable-delivered services will continue to have that option at a future date using a non-CableCARD solution that will be supported in both TiVo retail and Comcast-supplied devices, they added, noting that the CableCARD-free approach “can also be supported in other compatible customer-owned devices.”
 
EDIT: The FCC filing: »apps.fcc.gov/ecfs/docume ··· 21384208
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Sounds good, but has just as much danger as that insane FCC decision to let Charter roll their own downloadable security - i.e., if Comcast and Tivo go their own way and no one else adopts it, all it benefits are those customers. And then we're still stuck with Cablecard.

AllVid was a much better answer because it also included the non-cableCos, but it went nowhere.

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That would be nice.

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This other MCN article is geared more for other Cable Cos, like Time Warner Cable, that use SDV, but there's also some other good TiVo info in it also:

TiVo Crafts ‘Embedded’ Switched Digital Video Tech
Develops Way To Support SDV Without Separate Tuning Adapter

By Jeff Baumgartner, Multichannel News - July 16, 2014
»www.multichannel.com/new ··· h/376007

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said by telcodad:

This other MCN article is geared more for other Cable Cos, like Time Warner Cable, that use SDV, but there's also some other good TiVo info in it also:

TiVo Crafts ‘Embedded’ Switched Digital Video Tech
Develops Way To Support SDV Without Separate Tuning Adapter

By Jeff Baumgartner, Multichannel News - July 16, 2014
»www.multichannel.com/new ··· h/376007

hmm this could get interesting as it could get Comcast interested in SDV once again but they would need to work out some way to get all off the cable card devices sans TV's to work with the IP transport of SDV tune and request data.
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I don't think that is the hold up for SDV on comcast. Did they not want to due the node splits? upgrade the head ends? they also don't even use MPEG 4 that much as well.

Comcast is lacking big time in part time HD feeds, premium channels in HD, and out of market sports in HD. SDV and or MPEG 4 can get them to have all of that.

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FYI - An article on the MCN site last night:

Comcast, TiVo Working On Non-CableCARD Approach
To Support Comcast’s Linear TV & VOD Mix on TiVo Boxes Sans Security Modules

By Jeff Baumgartner, Multichannel News - July 15, 2014
»www.multichannel.com/new ··· h/375989

EDIT: The FCC filing: »apps.fcc.gov/ecfs/docume ··· 21384208

 
Latest news on this:

TiVo: Deals Will Pave Path To Post-CableCARD World
TiVo Confirms That It Is Has Left The AllVid Tech Company Alliance

By Jeff Baumgartner, Multichannel News - July 18, 2014
»www.multichannel.com/new ··· d/382612
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Tivo Criticizes CableCARD Coverage

»www.lightreading.com/cab ··· d/710116

Apparently they think with the House passing the revocation of the card integration ban (w/STELA renewal), this means the end of CableCARDs. Not sure if I agree with that since they'll still be supported by FCC mandate, but it's past time to move beyond them anyway and the Tivo/Comcast agreement to do so could be the way.

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Sounds good, but has just as much danger as that insane FCC decision to let Charter roll their own downloadable security - i.e., if Comcast and Tivo go their own way and no one else adopts it, all it benefits are those customers. And then we're still stuck with Cablecard.

BTW - Here's the latest news on Charter's downloadable security system:

Charter Tests Prototype Set-Top With Downloadable Security
Coming Lab Trial Will Connect To Live Plant

By Jeff Baumgartner, Multichannel News - August 5, 2014
»www.multichannel.com/new ··· y/382989
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LOL, I love this quote from the article:

Charter, per the conditions of the waiver, said it has continued "good faith" efforts with a CE manufacturer about development of a retail box that can use the downloadable system. Charter has not revealed that the CE company in question, but noted that "[f]urther progress awaits the finalization of the downloadable conditional access ecosystem and its specifications."

In other words, per the FCC waiver, all we're going to do is pay off one CE manufacturer to deliver a crappy soon-to-be-discontinued-due-to-lack-of-sales retail box, then we can ditch cards forever and lock all of our new customers in to our proprietary stuff.

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said by GTFan:

In other words, per the FCC waiver, all we're going to do is pay off one CE manufacturer to deliver a crappy soon-to-be-discontinued-due-to-lack-of-sales retail box, then we can ditch cards forever and lock all of our new customers in to our proprietary stuff.

As opposed to "per the FCC mandate, we have to indefinitely support an expensive physical card security ecosystem barely supported by a handful of U.S. only, 3rd-party, niche retail equipment makers, who sell a low volume of devices, 99% of our customers won't ever use."

CableCard is a non-proprietary failure. Just because something is proprietary doesn't mean it can't be wildly successful and supported by hundreds of other companies, like Xbox, Android, and iOS.

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Correction xbox isn't a company it's a division of Microsoft.

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Correction xbox isn't a company it's a division of Microsoft.

I didn't mean Xbox (or Android or iOS) was a company. I meant they were proprietary. Even though they're proprietary, they support thriving tech ecosystems composed of hundreds of companies and large percentages of the population. As opposed to CableCard...
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Nothing Charter does will be wildly successful or supported by anyone other than Charter and the lone CE company they pay off.

Cablecard might suck but it sure as hell beats what they're going to deliver.

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Except it has to be supported by more than just Charter and one lone CE company because they want to use it for their own rental boxes too, made by Arris, Cisco, Pace, and others. Cablevision has already rolled out a similar downloadable security system but has always been a bit different in its cable box operations. Since Comcast is doing something similar in cooperation with Tivo, I'd bet they're going to merge.

"Charter, will use a downloadable security system based on the Cisco Systems “key ladder” that Cablevision is running on Samsung set-tops and is available on an open royalty-free basis for implementation by third-party manufacturers. "
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said by DocDrew:

Charter, will use a downloadable security system based on the Cisco Systems "key ladder" that Cablevision is running on Samsung set-tops

And what does this do for ALL the millions of subs on Moto systems...many of those whom are on Comcast or Charter (Moto) systems themselves???

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"Based" doesn't mean "it's only compatible with".

If you actually read the linked article:

In documents filed with the FCC in late July, Charter said it has successfully lab-tested silicon in a prototype set-top “to refine the operation of downloadable security across two existing industry standard conditional access systems.” - See more at: »www.multichannel.com/new ··· Ead.dpuf

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said by DocDrew:

If you actually read the linked article:

Well I actually DID, but I didn't (don't) see YOUR previous quote re: "key ladder" in it - hence why I was asking, thank you

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If you actually read the linked article:

Well I actually DID, but I didn't (don't) see YOUR previous quote re: "key ladder" in it - hence why I was asking, thank you

That first quote came from another article linked in the last article Telcodad posted. It's an ongoing project with several articles and FCC requests written about it.

While Charter is spearheading it, they want downloadable security to adopted by the cable industry in general.
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Except it has to be supported by more than just Charter and one lone CE company because they want to use it for their own rental boxes too, made by Arris, Cisco, Pace, and others. Cablevision has already rolled out a similar downloadable security system but has always been a bit different in its cable box operations. Since Comcast is doing something similar in cooperation with Tivo, I'd bet they're going to merge.

"Charter, will use a downloadable security system based on the Cisco Systems “key ladder” that Cablevision is running on Samsung set-tops and is available on an open royalty-free basis for implementation by third-party manufacturers. "

Rental is not retail, and as I said Charter's system is specific to Charter as you aptly quoted. 'Based on' does not mean 'compatible' and having it available doesn't mean any retail CE co. is going to bother with it, other than the one Charter paid off.

I have way more faith that the Tivo/Comcast partnership is going to bear fruit, but even that is suspect given the sad history of cable wanting to always maintain firm control over the user experience.

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Re: Comcast to expand Xfinity On Demand for TiVo to all markets

FYI - Two recent TiVo articles on the Zatz Not Funny! blog site:

New, Larger Capacity TiVo DVR To Launch At CEDIA
By Dave Zatz, Zatz Not Funny! - August 16, 2014
»www.zatznotfunny.com/201 ··· t-cedia/

TiVo To Drop Mini Service Fees?
By Dave Zatz, Zatz Not Funny! - August 18, 2014
»www.zatznotfunny.com/201 ··· ce-fees/