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CoxVegas
join:2011-07-25
Las Vegas, NV

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Re: [CATV] Can you pressure Cox to remove copy-once flagging?

The CCI bytes are usually set by us when we do the various encoding and transcoding and such. However, what those bytes are set to are (sometimes) dictated by content providers. Also which group that does the setting can vary depending on content, so it gets even more convoluted.

I will say the setting of CCI bytes is... well, I suppose "extremely specialized knowledge" is the best way to put it. We have two or maybe three people in my market that know where to go to set them and the various implications, maybe another dozen who know what they are.

I'll see if I can find the right people in your market, but honestly it'll be a while - a lot of Cox folks (myself included) are on vacation right now for the holidays.

Can you provide a list of exactly what channels you're seeing incorrectly flagged, and what their current flagging state you're seeing is?

BryanInPHX
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said by CoxVegas:

The CCI bytes are usually set by us when we do the various encoding and transcoding and such. However, what those bytes are set to are (sometimes) dictated by content providers. Also which group that does the setting can vary depending on content, so it gets even more convoluted.

Can you provide a list of exactly what channels you're seeing incorrectly flagged, and what their current flagging state you're seeing is?

It is hard to know what is incorrectly flagged, when everything except the Locals is flagged as Copy Once (0x02) in most markets, I would really like to know if Cox has a strict policy, and why it is not enforced in certain markets (I will not name them here again, as I do not want to be the one to single them out for new copy protection).

Here is what one Cox rep stated:
»forums.cox.com/forum_hom ··· 109.aspx
quote:
Hi Everyone.

The copy protections standards we apply are consistent with the agreements Cox has with various programmers to carry their cable content. We assure that these comport with the copy protection rules set forth in Section 76.1904(b) of the FCC's Rules and Regulations as well.

Stephanie A

Cox Forum Moderator

Stephanie A
Cox Support Forum Moderator

Note above Cox is NOT consistent, from market to market.
gunterm
join:2006-07-30
Topeka, KS

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You're definitely right there, I couldn't find anyone local in Topeka, even at the store, that could tell me about the CCI settings.

I'd have to run the scan again, but it appears almost everything except the locals are copy-once. Essentially only the ClearQAM ones are freely.
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Here's the entire list, I'll post a screenshot with the ones showing no "DRM" image:

Channels
2 TWC LIMITED
3 WGN LIMITED
4 CITY CHANNEL 1
5 KTKA CW
6 KTMJ SD
7 KSNT SD
8 KTWU SD
9 KTKA SD
10 TOPEKA COLLEGE
11 MYTOPTV
12 KSQA SD
13 WIBW SD
14 TOPEKA SCHOOL L
15 UNIVISION EXPAN
19 HSN EXPANDED
22 KS22 - NEK
23 QVC EXPANDED
24 MSNBC EXPANDED
25 CNN EXPANDED
26 CNN-HL EXPANDED
27 FNC EXPANDED
28 USA EXPANDED
29 TBS EXPANDED
30 TNT EXPANDED
31 F/X EXPANDED
32 ESPN EXPANDED
33 ESPN2 EXPANDED
34 FSKC EXPANDED
35 VH1 EXPANDED
36 MTV EXPANDED
37 ITV EXPANDED
38 LIFETIME EXPAND
39 HGTV EXPANDED
40 FOOD NETWORK EX
41 A&E EXPANDED
42 DISCOVERY EXPAN
43 TLC EXPANDED
44 SPIKE EXPANDED
45 DISNEY EXPANDED
46 NICKELODEON EXP
47 ABC FAMILY EXPA
48 TVLAND EXPANDED
49 HISTORY EXPANDE
50 SYFY EXPANDED
51 TRUTV EXPANDED
52 CMT EXPANDED
53 CNBC EXPANDED
54 TCM EXPANDED
55 AMC EXPANDED
56 ANIMAL PLANET E
57 BET EXPANDED
58 COMEDY EXPANDED
59 E! EXPANDED
60 FOX SPORTS 1
61 BRAVO EXPANDED
62 TRAVEL EXPANDED
63 CARTOON NETWORK
75 NATIONAL GEOGRA
77 OWN
79 GOLF Channel
80 TVGuide LIMITED
85 HALLMARK EXPAND
122 KS22 XTRA - NEK
133 SHOP NBC EXPAND
134 JEWELRY EXPANDE
150 INSPIRATION EXP
153 EWTN EXPANDED
244 ESPNU
245 ESPNews
246 ESPN CLASSICS
261 NFL NETWORK
270 WEATHERSCAN
279 CSPAN LIMITED
280 CSPAN2 LIMITED
281 CSPAN3
308 KSNG-DT2
312 AZTECA
401 HBO EAST
412 MAX LATINO
415 SHOWTIME EAST
427 HBO PLUS WEST
505 WESTERNS EAST
507 STARZ EAST
510 ENCORE EAST
670 KTWU DT3
671 KTWU DT2
675 KTKA WEATHER
676 MYTOPTV
707 CXIN2
709 CXIN1
710 CXINH
770 COX PPV
901 MC-901-HIT LIST
902 MC-902-POP RHYT
903 MC-903-DANCE/ED
904 MC-904-MCU
905 MC-905-HIP-HOP/
906 MC-906-RAP
907 MC-907-HIP-HOP
908 MC-908-THROWBAC
909 MC-909-R&B CLAS
910 MC-910-R&B SOUL
911 MC-911-GOSPEL
912 MC-912-REGGAE
913 MC-913-ROCK
914 MC-914-METAL
915 MC-915-ALTERNAT
916 MC-916-ADULT AL
917 MC-917-ROCK HIT
918 MC-918-CLASSIC
919 MC-919-SOFT ROC
920 MC-920-LOVE SON
921 MC-921-POP HITS
922 MC-922-PARTY FA
923 MC-923-TEEN MC
924 MC-924-KIDZ ONL
925 MC-925-TODDLER
926 MC-926-Y2K
927 MC-927-90'S
928 MC-928-80'S
929 MC-929-70'S
930 MC-930-SOLID GO
931 MC-931-POP COUN
932 MC-932-TODAY'S
933 MC-933-COUNTRY
934 MC-934-CLASSIC
935 MC-935-CONTEMPO
936 MC-936-POP LATI
937 MC-937-MUSICA U
938 MC-938-MEXICANA
939 MC-939-TROPICAL
940 MC-940-ROMANCES
941 MC-941-SOUNDS O
942 MC-942-STAGE &
943 MC-943-SOUNDSCA
944 MC-944-SMOOTH J
945 MC-945-JAZZ
946 MC-946-BLUES
1501 CXINH
2002 TWC HD
2003 WGN HD
2006 KTMJ HD
2007 KSNT HDTV
2008 KTWU HDTV
2009 KTKA HDTV
2013 WIBW HDTV
2015 UNIVISION HD
2021 KCPT HD
2022 KS22HD-NEK
2024 MSNBC HD
2025 CNN HD
2026 HLN HD
2027 FNC HD
2028 USA HD
2029 TBS HD
2030 TNT HD
2031 F/X HD
2032 ESPN HD
2033 ESPN2 HD
2034 FSKC HD
2035 VH1 HD
2036 MTV HD
2038 LIFETIME HD
2039 HGTV HD
2040 FOOD NETWORK HD
2041 A&E HD
2042 DISCOVERY HD
2043 TLC HD
2044 SPIKE HD
2045 DISNEY HD
2046 NICKELODEON HD
2047 ABC FAMILY HD
2049 HISTORY HD
2050 SYFY HD
2051 TRUTV HD
2052 CMT HD
2053 CNBC HD
2054 TCM HD
2055 AMC HD
2056 ANIMAL PLANET H
2057 BET HD
2058 COMEDY HD
2059 E! NETWORK HD
2060 FOX SPORTS 1 HD
2061 BRAVO HD
2062 TRAVEL HD
2063 CARTOON NETWORK
2075 NATIONAL GEOGRA
2077 OWN HD
2078 NBC SPORTS NETW
2079 GOLF HD
2085 HALLMARK HD
2086 HALLMARK MOVIE
2101 THE HUB HD
2102 SCIENCE HD
2103 DESTINATION AME
2104 INVESTIGATION D
2122 KS22XTRA HD - N
2198 RETROPLEX HD
2199 INDIEPLEX HD
2200 EPIX HD
2201 IFC HD
2203 LIFETIME MOVIE
2208 BBC AMERICA HD
2210 WE EAST HD
2211 NAT GEO WILD HD
2220 G4 EAST HD
2225 DISNEY XD EAST
2229 ESQUIRE TV HD
2237 FUSE HD
2240 COOKING CHANNEL
2244 ESPNU HD
2245 ESPNews HD
2247 PAC12 HD
2248 TENNIS CHANNEL
2249 DIY HD
2250 FXX HD
2253 FOX BUSINESS HD
2255 HISTORY INTERNA
2256 BIOGRAPHY CHANN
2258 OUTDOOR CHANNEL
2259 NBA TV HD
2260 CBS COLLEGE SPO
2261 NFL NETWORK HD
2262 NHL NETWORK HD
2263 MLB NETWORK HD
2267 NFL REDZONE HD
2268 ESPN GOAL LINE
2273 BTNKAN HD
2315 UNIMAS HD
2401 HBO HDTV
2402 HBO PLUS EAST H
2403 HBO SIGNATURE E
2404 HBO FAMILY EAST
2406 HBO ZONE EAST H
2407 CINEMAX HD
2408 MOREMAX HD
2409 ACTIONMAX EAST
2410 THRILLERMAX EAS
2413 5 STAR MAX HD
2415 SHOWTIME HDTV
2417 SHOWTIME SHOWCA
2419 SHOWTIME EXTREM
2423 TMC HD
2426 HBO WEST HD
2427 HBO PLUS WEST H
2431 CINEMAX WEST HD
2432 SHOWTIME WEST H
2434 TMC WEST HD
2437 HBO LATINO EAST
2507 STARZ HD
2508 STARZ EDGE EAST
2509 STARZ BLACK HD
2510 ENCORE EAST HD
2511 STARZ KIDS & FA
2518 STARZ WEST HD
2521 STARZ COMEDY HD
2677 PALLADIA HD
2678 UNIVERSAL HD
2780 TEAM 01 HD
2781 TEAM 02 HD
2782 TEAM 03 HD
2783 TEAM 04 HD
2784 TEAM 05 HD
2785 TEAM 06 HD
2786 TEAM 07 HD
2787 TEAM 08 HD
2788 TEAM 09 HD
2791 GAME 01 HD
2792 GAME 02 HD
2793 GAME 03 HD
2794 GAME 04 HD
2795 GAME 05 HD
2796 GAME 06 HD
2797 GAME 07 HD
2798 GAME 08 HD
2799 GAME 09 HD
2900 MC PLAY HD
Rakeesh
join:2011-10-30
Phoenix, AZ

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Wow that's weird, they have some channels that are always flagged on other networks unflagged, and some channels that should be unflagged flagged anyways. Univision for example is an OTA hispanic network, and afaik FCC rules don't permit flagging that channel.
gunterm
join:2006-07-30
Topeka, KS

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Thanks for looking into this! Any word yet?
ajwees41
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join:2002-05-10
Omaha, NE

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your lucky your locals aren't flagged. They were in Omaha at least they were before we swithed over to tivo. Not sure anymore if they are.
Gardentool
join:2013-01-18
Oklahoma City, OK

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said by CoxVegas:

Can you provide a list of exactly what channels you're seeing incorrectly flagged, and what their current flagging state you're seeing is?

I'm in the Oklahoma City market and I believe it has all non-locals marked as copy once as well. I had purchased a TiVo Stream a few months ago hoping to transfer some children programming to my old iPhone or iPad for my kid then figured out it wasn't going to work for transfer.