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Amethystxx
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[H/W] Cat 4506 for home/small office use?

Can your guy suggest me about using cat 4506 with supII+ and x4548-GB line card in home / small office use. as i want a new cisco gigabit switch (Require > 48 port) and haven't problem with it big size.

Adv:
L3.
Modular switch.
Very Cheap.
IOS 15 capable.
Consume same watt as cat 4948.

Disadv:
Loud.
Big.
electric.
aryoba
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said by Amethystxx:

as i want a new cisco gigabit switch

A 4506 with Sup II+ is obviously not new. You may be able to find unused one if you are lucky enough

Moreover, choosing a switch is about your objectives. You mention Gigabit Ethernet port that are more than 48 in quantity, but it is not clear definition of port density requirement. You also do not mention whether you are looking for specific routing and switching requirement, security requirement, performance and throughput, port growth, and other requirements.

Elaborate and be specific of what your objectives are in order to help us help you
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SupII+ IIRC is pretty old and LONG EOL... where did you find it'll take 15.x code?

Also be aware that you're going to have to match your supervisors and linecards properly. Looking at
this datasheet, 4500 classic linecards -- which is what the x4548 series is -- needs a Sup6 or higher.

Also -- and this is just the pragmatist in me -- just HOW many hosts are you looking to plug in with
a 6slot chassis?

My 0000010bits

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I had a 4006 a few years ago. Not the same I know but bear with me...
It looked great (yes, I'm sad!) but for learning up to CCNP level it was limited. I found a couple of 3560's and a couple of 2960's to be MUCH better for a learning lab. The standalone switches were a whole lot quieter too!

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said by markysharkey:

I had a 4006 a few years ago. Not the same I know but bear with me...

probably running cat-os, yes? that makes it pretty useless for most of your ccn-x studies.
said by markysharkey:

I found a couple of 3560's and a couple of 2960's to be MUCH better for a learning lab.

yes. 3550s can be had for cheap on ebay now (they are out of the ccie lab standards in lieu of the 3560s) and they support everything but ipv6 with the emi image.

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said by HELLFIRE:

4500 classic linecards -- which is what the x4548 series is -- needs a Sup6 or higher.

close.
from here

Supported Cisco Catalyst 4500 Series Classic Line Cards
• WS-X4148-FE-BD-LC: Cisco Catalyst 4500 Fast Ethernet Switching Module, 48-port 100BASE-BX-D SMF (LC)
• WS-X4124-FX-MT: Cisco Catalyst 4000 Fast Ethernet Switching Module, 24-port 100BASE-FX (MT-RJ)
• WS-X4148-FX-MT: Cisco Catalyst 4500 Fast Ethernet Switching Module, 48-port 100BASE-FX multimode fiber (MMF)
• (MT-RJ)
• WS-X4124-RJ45: Cisco Catalyst 4500 10/100 Module, 24 ports (RJ-45)
• WS-X4148-RJ: Cisco Catalyst 4500 10/100 Module, 48 ports (RJ-45)
• WS-X4148-RJ21: Cisco Catalyst 4500 10/100 Module, 48-port telco (4 x RJ-21)
• WS-X4248-RJ21V: Cisco Catalyst 4500 PoE 802.3af 10/100, 48 ports (RJ-21)
• WS-X4224-RJ45V: Cisco Catalyst 4500 PoE 803.3af 10/100, 24 ports (RJ-45)
• WS-X4248-RJ45V: Cisco Catalyst 4500 PoE 802.3af 10/100, 48 ports (RJ-45)
• WS-X4248-FE-SFP: Cisco Catalyst 4500 Fast Ethernet Switching Module, 48-port 100BASE-X (SFP)
• WS-X4232-GB-RJ: Cisco Catalyst 4500 32-Port 10/100 (RJ-45), 2-Gigabit Ethernet (GBIC) module
• WS-X4302-GB: Cisco Catalyst 4500 Gigabit Ethernet Module, 2 ports (GBIC)
• WS-X4306-GB: Cisco Catalyst 4500 Gigabit Ethernet Module, 6 ports (GBIC)
• WS-X4506-GB-T: Cisco Catalyst 4500 Gigabit Ethernet Module, 6 ports 10/100/1000 802.3af PoE or 1000BASE-X (SFP)
• WS-X4418-GB: Cisco Catalyst 4500 Gigabit Ethernet Module, server switching 18 ports (GBIC)
• WS-X4448-GB-SFP: Cisco Catalyst 4500 Gigabit Ethernet Module, 48 ports 1000BASE-X (optional SFPs)
• WS-X4424-GB-RJ45: Cisco Catalyst 4500 24-Port 10/100/1000 Module (RJ-45)
• WS-X4448-GB-RJ45: Cisco Catalyst 4500 48-Port 10/100/1000 Module (RJ-45)
• WS-X4548-GB-RJ45: Cisco Catalyst 4500 Enhanced 48-Port 10/100/1000 Module (RJ-45)
• WS-X4524-GB-RJ45V: Cisco Catalyst 4500 PoE 802.3af 10/100/1000, 24 ports (RJ-45)
• WS-X4548-GB-RJ45V: Cisco Catalyst 4500 PoE 802.3af 10/100/1000, 48 ports (RJ-45)
Optics Support
The two GBIC ports directly on the Cisco Catalyst 4500 Series Supervisor II-Plus module support the following GBIC media types:
• WS-G5483: Cisco 1000BASE-T GBIC
• WS-G5484: Cisco 1000BASE-SX Short-Wavelength GBIC (multimode only)
• WS-G5486: Cisco 1000BASE-LX/LH Long-Haul GBIC (single-mode or multimode)
• WS-G5487: Cisco 1000BASE-ZX Extended-Reach GBIC (single-mode)
• Cisco coarse wavelength-division multiplexing (CWDM) GBIC solution

[edited to add]
c4k sups prior to sup6 are all "classic" -- with 6gbps/slot supported. after sup6 -- the oversubscription ratios on the chassis drop drastically -- with sup7 and greater supporting 1:1 linecard --> backplane. the oversubscription is based strictly on your uplink bandwidths.

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said by tubbynet:

probably running cat-os, yes? that makes it pretty useless for most of your ccn-x studies.

It was. But... I was given a project with a similar switch so the CAT-OS was useful at the time, but I got shot of the thing 5 years ago after it had been lying dormant for a year on my kitchen table. My point was more about the fact that at home, the chassis switches are noisy and chew through a lot of electricity compared to a handful of 35x0's...

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said by markysharkey:

My point was more about the fact that at home, the chassis switches are noisy and chew through a lot of electricity compared to a handful of 35x0's...

absolutely. and they are loud.
for a lab -- if you can find l2iol -- you'll be in business

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i found 1 problem that stop me buy it.

Its 6Gbps switch fabric per line card.

from my knowledge it means i can't get

every port runs at 1Gbps because one line card

must shared 6Gbps bandwidth. that deal breaker for me.
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There is a reason why the gear is cheap. Maybe because it is "slow" and "old"?
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Everyone I ever speak to wants three things:
Fast
Secure
Cheap
I usually tell them they can have any two of those choices. Adding a third option almost by default removes one of the others leaving you with two again.
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said by markysharkey:

Everyone I ever speak to wants three things:
Fast
Secure
Cheap
I usually tell them they can have any two of those choices. Adding a third option almost by default removes one of the others leaving you with two again.

Combo 1.

I want the following
Fast + Cheap

Solution
Instead of sitting at a nice working desk in quiet area, sit in datacenter connecting to switches or servers directly. You will get fastest connection possible and your company does not need to spend money on those nice working desk and on those nice quiet area.

Combo 2.

I want the following
Secure + Cheap

Solution
Use those off-shelves lock and key instead of having data encryption or password to secure your data. In addition, use filing cabinet instead of computer, which the off-shelves lock and key apply.

Combo 3.

I want the following
Fast + Secure

Solution
Implement industry-standard up-to-date network equipment, approved by professionals.

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said by Amethystxx:

Its 6Gbps switch fabric per line card. from my knowledge it means i can't get every port runs at 1Gbps because one line card must shared 6Gbps bandwidth.

Basically... though again, I reiterate my earlier question :
said by HELLFIRE:

just HOW many hosts are you looking to plug in with a 6slot chassis?

...with the addition of "what are you looking to run through it?" Unless you're running a datacenter / cloud setup,
have all 48ports of the linecard filled, and all 48 endhosts pushing 1Gbps of traffic 24 x 7, I can't see you generating
this amount of traffic in a home / small office setup... unless you're not sharing all the details OP.

...and let's just say if you WERE looking to push that amount of traffic, I'd look into something ALOT more modern
and higher end than a 4506 + SUPII+.
said by markysharkey:

Fast
Secure
Cheap

+9000, though I've seen people / clients that want "cheap, fast, perfect AND ready by yesterday."

Regards

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as others have said -- this shouldnt be an issue.
look up 'statistical multiplexing'. report back your findings.

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My home is 3star bussiness hotel in thailand.
have active user ~ 70 user. come from 20 ddwrt ap.
3 esxi host that contain on demand ip tv service.
aryoba
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Nexus 5000 and 2000 switches should be better fit for your hotel need.

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said by aryoba:

Nexus 5000 and 2000 switches should be better fit for your hotel need.

i kinda disagree there.
user access screams catalyst line.

if you want single control plane -- catalyst 6800 with ia.

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said by tubbynet:

if you want single control plane -- catalyst 6800 with ia.

For ~70 users why not 2 x 48 port 2960S with a stack cable? Or maybe a pair of 3560's. It would be easy enough to add another switch in future.

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absolutely -- but depending on location, runs, etc -- you'd possibly have multiple control-planes.
i'm not above suggesting c3k for this solution, in fact -- 3850s would be a great fit. however, if the desire is to collapse core, agg, and access in a single platform with a single control-plane -- c6800 with ia is the way to go.

(not that i think the op should go single cp. this was more of a response to aryoba See Profile ).

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said by tubbynet:

absolutely -- but depending on location, runs, etc -- you'd possibly have multiple control-planes.

Yeah, I'm wondering what the rest of the infrastructure holds in store.
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said by tubbynet:

said by aryoba:

Nexus 5000 and 2000 switches should be better fit for your hotel need.

i kinda disagree there.
user access screams catalyst line.

if you want single control plane -- catalyst 6800 with ia.

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A Catalyst 6800 with Sup 2T? I thought you hated Sup 2T and preferred Nexus instead

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not for campus access.
yes -- i still hate c6k, but again, as i have said -- the 6800 is just starting its life and it optimized for 10/40/100gig with room to spare. its also no longer the swiss army knife (ala sup720 that shits the bed if you ask it to do to much). dfc4 has improved the platform, and while i dont like the 6500, the 6880 is a sweet little package, especially with ia.

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Since the OP has been looking at 4500, perhaps Catalyst 4500E with the new Supervisor 8E is more fitting?

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said by aryoba:

Since the OP has been looking at 4500, perhaps Catalyst 4500E with the new Supervisor 8E is more fitting?

for new kit yes.
2:1 oversubscription is available with c4k/sup6 -- and 1:1 is available on sup7. both are slightly older and can be found at a discount over sup8.

without knowing exactly what the layout and cabling is -- its pure speculation on our part.

really -- any switching platform would "work". the question is "how well" and "with what supported features".

ddwrt access points sounds like this is being done on the cheap, however. ;-P

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said by tubbynet:

ddwrt access points sounds like this is being done on the cheap, however. ;-P

markysharkey See Profile's post above about Fast, Secure, Cheap would show the dilemma between budgets and needs
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said by Amethystxx:

My home is 3star bussiness hotel in thailand.
have active user ~ 70 user. come from 20 ddwrt ap.
3 esxi host that contain on demand ip tv service.

Safe to say at this point OP should have a pretty good idea of what their original platform is like,
and the option(s) they have given the above.

I'm also wondering what the OP forsees this 4500 doing... JUST the LAN / switching, or a "all in one"
unit... in which case the Catalyst 4500 line doesn't do WAN interfaces or NAT, IIRC -- correct me if
I'm wrong -- or does them very poorly.

My 00000010bits

Regards

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you wont want an all-in-one chassis doing all of that anyway.
wan on a c6k implies s720. nat sucks nuts on a c6k (yes -- it can be done, but with caveats that you must be aware of).

let edge devices do "edge things". let core devices do "core things".

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thanks eveybody for the contribution of this threads.

the reason behide cat4506 idea is i need something cisco switch.
48+gige, and price below $400. so thats all.

but it's oversubscript rate made me hard to buy it.

Do your gus suggest me.
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i m looking to use cat 4500 just as lan switching.

now i have isr3845 and cat2960g (that i want to
bring it to replace dlink access switch in my room)
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said by Amethystxx:

the reason behide cat4506 idea is i need something cisco switch.
48+gige, and price below $400.

I think this is a moment to point to markysharkey See Profile's post
said by markysharkey:

Everyone I ever speak to wants three things:
Fast
Secure
Cheap
I usually tell them they can have any two of those choices. Adding a third option almost by default removes one of the others leaving you with two again.