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wayner92

join:2006-01-17
Toronto, ON

Why such a big premium for unlimited on Teksavvy Cable 150?

This is probably covered in another thread so can someone please point me there - I tried searching but I don't find the search function on DSL all that great.

When I look at the pricing for the various speeds that Teksavvy offers for cable the premium for unlimited tends to be about 50-60% of the capped service. But for the 150 service there is well over a 100% premium. I assume this is due to the wholesale pricing from the likes of Rogers - is that correct? Or is there some other reason?



elwoodblues
Elwood Blues
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join:2006-08-30
Somewhere in
kudos:2

Talk to Rogers and they're outrageous priced ### transit costs.


wayner92

join:2006-01-17
Toronto, ON

But is this so much different on one of their other services? Cable 45 is $57 limited, $100 unlimited. Running at 45Mbps for 30 days would let you download 14.58 TB.

Cable 150 is $87 capped and $220 uncapped. Why so much higher? Sure you can get almost 50TB in a month but the pricing seems out of whack compared to 45 or the other services.



TLS2000
Crazy Canuck
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join:2004-02-24
Mississauga, ON
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reply to wayner92

I dropped to 35/3 because of the impending usage caps on the 150/10 service.

It's ridiculous how Rogers was able to convince the CRTC that it costs them $X to provide service to companies like TekSavvy, but they are able to offer it to their own customers cheaper.

The proper way for the CRTC to set the tariff is to have Rogers lowest retail rate -x% so that TekSavvy and the rest of the competitors can compete based on the retail rate Rogers charges. If Rogers wants to offer customers 150/10 unlimited for $105, then TekSavvy should be able to purchase that service from Rogers for $105 - x%. X% of course being a reasonable figure to allow TekSavvy's own expenses for transit costs and customer service plus a profit margin.

Rogers really pulled the wool over the CRTC's eyes with this.
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bt

join:2009-02-26
canada
kudos:1
reply to wayner92

Someone using Cable 150 as a dedicated, saturated connection during peak periods would cost TSI $1876.50 per month just in capacity charges from Rogers.


wayner92

join:2006-01-17
Toronto, ON
reply to TLS2000

To be honest I think I can live with the usage caps as any major FTPs I can schedule during the "free" 2-8 am window, unless that is going as well. Don't forget that Rogers charges about $125 for their 150 service and it is capped at 250GB and then you pay $0.50/GB. So 300GB with Rogers will cost you about $150 - much more than TSI.


bigkens

join:2013-07-27
Ottawa, ON
reply to wayner92

Obviously the following is an assumption on my part, but I think TekSavvy's 150/10 unlimited plan is so expensive for the following reasons:

1) To highlight to customers and to the CRTC just how unreasonable Rogers' tariffs are.

2) To serve as a financial disincentive to the heaviest of users. In other words, based on this pricing and how much it costs TekSavvy to have a 150/10 unlimited user, I think they're trying to encourage those customers to stick with the incumbents' unlimited plans for now until they can work out the tariffs issue with the CRTC.


wayner92

join:2006-01-17
Toronto, ON

So am I better off sticking with Rogers for now? I don't have unlimited and I technically don't qualify for it since I don't have Rogers phone (I have used Vonage for phone for about 9 years).

But I suspect if I call Rogers to cancel that they will give me unlimited for $10/month or less as a retention offer.


wayner92

join:2006-01-17
Toronto, ON
reply to bt

said by bt:

Someone using Cable 150 as a dedicated, saturated connection during peak periods would cost TSI $1876.50 per month just in capacity charges from Rogers

But wouldn't a saturated Cable 45 user cost TSI about $600?

bt

join:2009-02-26
canada
kudos:1

Yep.

And both theoretical maximums work out to around 6x what TSI charges for unlimited in that teir.


bigkens

join:2013-07-27
Ottawa, ON
reply to wayner92

said by wayner92:

So am I better off sticking with Rogers for now? I don't have unlimited and I technically don't qualify for it since I don't have Rogers phone (I have used Vonage for phone for about 9 years).

But I suspect if I call Rogers to cancel that they will give me unlimited for $10/month or less as a retention offer.

I tried getting Rogers retentions to do the $10/month for unlimited, but they wouldn't do it unless I signed up for 3 services (home phone, cable TV, cable Internet). If you just wanted unlimited Internet, it's an extra $30/month on top of the package price, which works out to $155.99/month.

Prior to starting to bill for overages, TekSavvy's CEO Marc said that they are planning to offer an "opt-in" usage option where, in exchange for unlimited usage all day every day, your download speed is reduced by 50% from 8pm-12am. It is discussed here: »BETA my account portal v2 - need your help

wayner92

join:2006-01-17
Toronto, ON

I saw that Opt-in usage plan. That makes sense for me, especially since even when FTPing from my VPS in the Netherlands the best I can get with a multi-segment FTP downhload is 9.5MBps which is about 75 Mbps or half of the theoretical top speed anyhow. And that is my biggest demand for speed - streaming services, even Amazon, use WAY less bandwidth.


wayner92

join:2006-01-17
Toronto, ON
reply to bigkens

said by bigkens:

I tried getting Rogers retentions to do the $10/month for unlimited, but they wouldn't do it unless I signed up for 3 services (home phone, cable TV, cable Internet).

I don't understand this perspective from them. I have TV, internet and cell phone but not home phone. I spend well over $100 per month on the cell phone, but they don't give you credit for that. Plus I have a Rogers cell and iPad data that are paid for by my company. So I am a freakin' Rogers poster boy but they want me to get home phone?

And who needs a POTS phone in 2014 anyhow - I may ditch mine as it is rarely used.

bigkens

join:2013-07-27
Ottawa, ON
reply to wayner92

Just to be clear, the "opt-in" unlimited usage for 50% reduced download speed isn't available yet to my knowledge, but it looks like TekSavvy is seriously considering it and, when made available, sounds like it would be perfect for your situation.


bt

join:2009-02-26
canada
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reply to wayner92

said by wayner92:

And who needs a POTS phone in 2014 anyhow - I may ditch mine as it is rarely used.

While it's certainly not an "everyone needs it" service anymore, there is still a very large market for home phone, especially POTS.

bigkens

join:2013-07-27
Ottawa, ON
reply to wayner92

said by wayner92:

said by bigkens:

I tried getting Rogers retentions to do the $10/month for unlimited, but they wouldn't do it unless I signed up for 3 services (home phone, cable TV, cable Internet).

I don't understand this perspective from them. I have TV, internet and cell phone but not home phone. I spend well over $100 per month on the cell phone, but they don't give you credit for that. Plus I have a Rogers cell and iPad data that are paid for by my company. So I am a freakin' Rogers poster boy but they want me to get home phone?

And who needs a POTS phone in 2014 anyhow - I may ditch mine as it is rarely used.

I couldn't agree more. It's completely ridiculous that Rogers wireless services don't count for the +$10/month unlimited Internet promotion. Then again, it shouldn't surprise me since the vast majority of their promotions are designed to get you locked in to as many services as possible.

A friend of mine actually got the 3 services just to get the $10 unlimited Internet promotion. So he technically had a home phone but never hooked it up, since this still ended up being cheaper than paying massive overage fees (which are capped at $100 over the price of your plan, I think?).


Guspaz
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Montreal, QC
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reply to wayner92

To put things in perspective, if you max out your 150 meg connection for just 1.2 hours per day, you cost your ISP $2,100.00 in capacity charges*. So as much as it sucks, $220 for unlimited 150 is a steal.

*: based on the Rogers CBB rate from the CRTC's February 2013 CBB decision. The CRTC later raised this rate a bunch, but I can't find the later CRTC decision.
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elwoodblues
Elwood Blues
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Somewhere in
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reply to bt

said by bt:

Someone using Cable 150 as a dedicated, saturated connection during peak periods would cost TSI $1876.50 per month just in capacity charges from Rogers.

Angelo.. 'nuff said.
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TLS2000
Crazy Canuck
Premium
join:2004-02-24
Mississauga, ON
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·Rogers Hi-Speed
reply to wayner92

said by wayner92:

To be honest I think I can live with the usage caps as any major FTPs I can schedule during the "free" 2-8 am window, unless that is going as well. Don't forget that Rogers charges about $125 for their 150 service and it is capped at 250GB and then you pay $0.50/GB. So 300GB with Rogers will cost you about $150 - much more than TSI.

Yes, but this thread is comparing the unlimited plans. Rogers is selling it to their own customers below what they told the CRTC is their cost BY FAR.
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Trentelshark

join:2002-12-11
London, ON
Reviews:
·VMedia
reply to wayner92

said by wayner92:

I don't understand this perspective from them. I have TV, internet and cell phone but not home phone. I spend well over $100 per month on the cell phone, but they don't give you credit for that. Plus I have a Rogers cell and iPad data that are paid for by my company. So I am a freakin' Rogers poster boy but they want me to get home phone?

And who needs a POTS phone in 2014 anyhow - I may ditch mine as it is rarely used.

They don't care about wireless when it comes to bundles on the cable network. I managed to get the unlimited for $10 extra a month when I was with Rogers but this was by giving me a promo for the router for 1 year, lowering my cable bill cost and something else. This wasn't a contract but a promo and I didn't really have to try that hard to get it having no home phone.

wayner92

join:2006-01-17
Toronto, ON

said by Trentelshark :
They don't care about wireless when it comes to bundles on the cable network
But they should care because wireless is my biggest bill each month. If I moved to a competitor they would see the largest drop in revenue, although I guess I am stuck with my two year contract.

Trentelshark

join:2002-12-11
London, ON
Reviews:
·VMedia

said by wayner92:

said by Trentelshark :
They don't care about wireless when it comes to bundles on the cable network
But they should care because wireless is my biggest bill each month. If I moved to a competitor they would see the largest drop in revenue, although I guess I am stuck with my two year contract.

You got it, those damned contracts, at least for the time being . I agree they should care, but the truth is they really don't. Unless there is as huge shift in customers one here and one there they will barely notice. Someone else will come along and just pay the asking price meaning they make more off them in the long run.

wayner92

join:2006-01-17
Toronto, ON
reply to bt

said by bt:

While it's certainly not an "everyone needs it" service anymore, there is still a very large market for home phone, especially POTS.

Yes, but I am guessing the folks that want unlimited 150/10 internet service is highly correlated with the sort of person that doesn't see the need for POTS so why force it on us.

yyzlhr

join:2012-09-03
Scarborough, ON
kudos:2
reply to bigkens

said by bigkens:

said by wayner92:

said by bigkens:

I tried getting Rogers retentions to do the $10/month for unlimited, but they wouldn't do it unless I signed up for 3 services (home phone, cable TV, cable Internet).

I don't understand this perspective from them. I have TV, internet and cell phone but not home phone. I spend well over $100 per month on the cell phone, but they don't give you credit for that. Plus I have a Rogers cell and iPad data that are paid for by my company. So I am a freakin' Rogers poster boy but they want me to get home phone?

And who needs a POTS phone in 2014 anyhow - I may ditch mine as it is rarely used.

I couldn't agree more. It's completely ridiculous that Rogers wireless services don't count for the +$10/month unlimited Internet promotion. Then again, it shouldn't surprise me since the vast majority of their promotions are designed to get you locked in to as many services as possible.

A friend of mine actually got the 3 services just to get the $10 unlimited Internet promotion. So he technically had a home phone but never hooked it up, since this still ended up being cheaper than paying massive overage fees (which are capped at $100 over the price of your plan, I think?).

I believe Bell allows wireless as part of their 3 product bundle to qualify for the $10 unlimited. I think Rogers simply doesn't offer it because they use two separate systems for residential and wireless, whereas Bell uses one. The lack of integration at Rogers between the two lines of business makes it impossible to offer the $10 unlimited option for wireless customers without significant IT costs.


TwiztedZero
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join:2011-03-31
Toronto, ON
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Why are we talking about "wireless" plans in a thread about wired cable?


wayner92

join:2006-01-17
Toronto, ON
reply to bigkens

Doesn't this opt-in program kill some of their existing mid-speed unlimited ranges? Why pay $100/month for unlimited 45Mbps service when you can pay $87 for 150Mbps service which shrinks to 75Mbps during primetime? Am I missing something or is not the reduced 150/10 superior in every way to unlimited 45Mbps?


wayner92

join:2006-01-17
Toronto, ON
reply to TwiztedZero

Because of bundling and what you need in your bundle to get unlimited internet.


Trentelshark

join:2002-12-11
London, ON
Reviews:
·VMedia
reply to TwiztedZero

said by TwiztedZero:

Why are we talking about "wireless" plans in a thread about wired cable?

If the incumbents want to complain about capacity, why does wireless not count when bundling? Same fibre I would think for data at the end of the day. They unbundle it on purpose...I see this as relevant to trying to talk you into home phone for $10 vs $30 unlimited

KoroshiyaX

join:2008-08-01
Mississauga, ON
kudos:1
reply to TLS2000

said by TLS2000:

I dropped to 35/3 because of the impending usage caps on the 150/10 service.

What impending usage caps are you talking about? I'm on 150/10, already got the $2 increase before, is there another change coming soon? Thanks.

34764170

join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON
reply to TwiztedZero

said by TwiztedZero:

Why are we talking about "wireless" plans in a thread about wired cable?

Did you lose the ability to read?