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SparkChaser
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[Green Tech] GE energy smart® Bright from the Start® Good or Bad?

This lamp comes on bright. Warms up and switches to a standard CFL drive. The annoying part is that it dims for a second when switch. A combination of OCD and too many years in electronics makes it annoy me.

About 3 seconds into the video
EDIT: the videos been cut. In a 50 degree basement, the dimming occurs in about 35 secs from turn on. After that, it takes another 5 sec to get to where it was in brightness.

downloadGE-CFL.wmv 2706255 bytes


»www.gelighting.com/LightingWeb/n···e-start/
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pike
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This is hardly an improvement over the slow starting of a CFL. Does it make an audible "click" when it changes over?


02778712

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said by pike:

This is hardly an improvement over the slow starting of a CFL. Does it make an audible "click" when it changes over?

How is it 'hardly an improvement'? It's clearly a significant improvement.


SparkChaser
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said by pike:

This is hardly an improvement over the slow starting of a CFL. Does it make an audible "click" when it changes over?

No, it's just a change in brightness for a couple of seconds. Since we're in the low temps and high winds, I thought it the power the first couple of times.
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Msradell
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Those look like they would be quite expensive compared to a regular CFL, are they? If so, what is the advantage of using them over and LED bulb?


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I had them in my living room lamps for awhile. I did like that they lit the room as soon as I flipped the switch, but the dimming bugged me EVERY single time. It feels like a quick brown out. I thought it was just me being a little OCD, but every guest to the house commented on it.

They might be worth using for stairs or something like that, where you NEED that bright light right away. But for a general living environment, they are just too annoying.

I have since replaced them with these:
»www.menards.com/main/led/feit-32···6341.htm
The lower power versions are cheaper. The color is great, they strike instantly, and they dim perfectly.

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I have the bulbs, they are okay. The length of the halogen running is determined by temperature of the bulb. If the was just on, it takes about 2-3 seconds for it to go into CFL mode. If its cold, its about 40 seconds.


nunya
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Gimmick. Already made obsolete by LED.


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said by nunya:

Gimmick. Already made obsolete by LED.

Not obsolete by LED's! Different price points. You can get 2 of these bulbs for the price of 1 LED equivalent bulb. Two of those hybrid 60w lights for $7.97 vs. $7.97 for one 60w led here.

said by Msradell:

Those look like they would be quite expensive compared to a regular CFL, are they? If so, what is the advantage of using them over and LED bulb?

See above. They are half the cost of LED so that's the advantage.


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5 recommendations

I'll just pay $4 more and get a light that doesn't blink. Thanks.


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said by nunya:

I'll just pay $4 more and get a light that doesn't blink. Thanks.

Me too but paying 50% more is hardly going to obsolete it. All you need to do is say "I was wrong". It's not that hard. :P


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said by Msradell:

Those look like they would be quite expensive compared to a regular CFL, are they? If so, what is the advantage of using them over and LED bulb?

HD had them at 2 for $9. The reason I got them is that I've been looking at different lamps and I hadn't seen these before.
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said by patcat88:

I have the bulbs, they are okay. The length of the halogen running is determined by temperature of the bulb. If the was just on, it takes about 2-3 seconds for it to go into CFL mode. If its cold, its about 40 seconds.

That's a good point. I was operating in the basement at the lower temp. You can see the PF change from .97 to .62 when it goes to the CFL.
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hitachi369
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I've never really had a real life impact of the warm up of a CFL. They are bright enough when they turn on to see comfortably in pitch dark. I may not be able to read a book the second I flip the switch but by the time I am situated everything is ok.

For me personally it's a bunch of FUD. Now on the other hand the hybrid light of the op, that would drive me crazy. I totally wouldn't even buy one.
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said by hitachi369:

I've never really had a real life impact of the warm up of a CFL

The degree of light during warm up seems to vary greatly from one model/brand to another. The models the builder put in my office flood cans initially struck like a night light, then slowly warmed up to full brightness in about 2 minutes. The kitchen had the exact same fixtures, and same wattage CFLs, but they were a different brand. They still required time to warm up all the way, but the initial strike was adequate to see and use the room.

Sorry I can't post the exact models, they have all been replaced with dim-able LEDs.


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I wasn't wrong at all. It's a silly product that is already obsolete. CFL was a stopgap technology the performed poorly in almost every subject. It's putting lipstick on a pig.
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said by nunya:

I wasn't wrong at all. It's a silly product that is already obsolete. CFL was a stopgap technology the performed poorly in almost every subject. It's putting lipstick on a pig.

If that helps you sleep better at night rock on. I'm just glad it's amusing as #$^&.


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Damn, and every CFL I've had has hit full brightness fairly quick. Less than a minute.

Now that I think about it, I don't even notice the difference with the ones in my living room.

I actually like the warm-up effect of CFLs though. >.>
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said by sivran:

I actually like the warm-up effect of CFLs though

Many people do and many home automation systems actually have a special feature that will allow you to set lights so they come on gradually instead of flashing on all at once. A feature that's already built into CFL's.


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I bought a couple a while back, just looking specifically for CFL to give "enough" light; didn't pay that much attention to what it actually was other than "bright from the start" (no warm-up). Only after I started using them and noticed how different they worked did I research them: halogen at start up along with the CFL until the CFL reaches "full" [enough] brightness. My first reaction to the info: that's weird, why bother--the initial minute of full brightness isn't that important [to me]. However, I like the way they work; the light itself (color/warmth/whatever you call it) is very pleasant and not "harsh". The drop-out of the halogen after about 45 seconds is expected and doesn't bother me at all, and it still gets a little brighter after that. If they actually last as long GE says they will, then they're well worth the price**. They're quiet--don't "buzz" (like some of the LEDs I have). I'll be happy to get them again the next time I need "bulbs".

**I just wonder if 7 years @ 3 hours/day equates to 21 years @ 1 hour/day. Usage and math don't always give the same result when it comes to electronics, and these lights have quite a bit of electronics in them.


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FYI

Measured the output with a lux meter. Don't hold the values to be accurate lux values but the relationship is correct.

@52 F ambient

turn on = 100
at 30 sec ~ 140
switches and drops back to 80
slowly rises to 150 after 50 sec from switching.
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sivran
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Yay! I'm not alone!


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said by 02778712:

All you need to do is say "I was wrong".

Ok you're wrong, and yes that was easy.


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said by 02778712:

See above. They are half the cost of LED so that's the advantage.

Let's see what the prices are in a couple years. And let's see if these hybrids are even around in 10 years. I suspect, as has been said, it's a stop gap and not much more. LED is the future, even if some people don't want to admit it. Remember when a 40w LED bulb would cost you $40 a couple years ago?

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Just using my local HD as a reference, LED's have gone from a very small niche to about 1/3 of the lighting section. They'll keep growing as costs continue to drop fairly quickly and take over from CFL's.

I have a few LED's now, and other than cost, I don't see any advantages to CFL's over LED's. Any new bulbs I've bought for my home over the last year have been LED. The Philips ones at HD still have reliability issues, two have flickered out on me (out of about 10), so that's something they need to work on. HD exchanged them, but it's still a pain to go back.

These hybrids won't last as LED's drop in price.


02778712

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said by Lurch77:

said by 02778712:

See above. They are half the cost of LED so that's the advantage.

Let's see what the prices are in a couple years. And let's see if these hybrids are even around in 10 years. I suspect, as has been said, it's a stop gap and not much more. LED is the future, even if some people don't want to admit it. Remember when a 40w LED bulb would cost you $40 a couple years ago?

I'm sure it's a stopgap solution but people didn't say that. They said "already obsolete". Those poor fools wanted to play Custer so they deserve what they got.

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I guess brownout will become an obsolete term, CFLs and LEDs I doubt will even initiate once voltage falls too far.
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said by Kearnstd:

I guess brownout will become an obsolete term, CFLs and LEDs I doubt will even initiate once voltage falls too far.

I can't speak for all of them but the Cree 60W starts at 14V. I can run the voltage up and down and it dims but no where near an incandescent. Incandescent illumination drops about V^3.4

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hmm interesting.

I just know my fan controller for my ceiling fan says its not to be used with CFLs for some reason. Which means if I get a normal light kit to replace my current one that uses candelabra bulbs I have to pull the remote. No clue why it would not just work with dimming CFLs unless it dims the light using PWM or something.
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I don't have any dimmable CFL's to try. I took the non-dimming down to 75V. Didn't want to push it.

It may be the waveform. I'm using a variac.