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Darknessfall
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NEW! U-verse Gateway - Motorola NVG599 - WIRELESS AC! AC1600


nephipower

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Re: NEW! U-verse Gateway - NVG599 - WIRELESS AC! AC1600

Whoa! Nice find!

You are right, it does look like it has fattened up.


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said by nephipower:

Whoa! Nice find!

You are right, it does look like it has fattened up.

The sad thing is that it'll probably only be for gigapower people :/.

According to the manual, you can also set a guest SSID. Not sure if that'll make it live though.

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N is still single band 2.4 frequency.


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said by my thoughts :

N is still single band 2.4 frequency.

It says that it's 3 antenna 2x2(2 stream with antenna diversity) N on 2.4(300 Mbps)
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3 antenna 3x3(3 stream) AC on 5 GHz(1300 Mbps)

Maybe they'll finally be able to use this instead of an additional WAP for the STBs?


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possibbly, suppose to be able to use 4-5 wifi boxes some time this year


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said by Darknessfall:

It says that it's 3x3(2 stream with antenna diversity) N on 2.4(300 Mbps)

No, it says it's 2x2 on 2.4 (3x3 is only for 5.8 802.11ac).

/M


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said by mackey:

said by Darknessfall:

It says that it's 3x3(2 stream with antenna diversity) N on 2.4(300 Mbps)

No, it says it's 2x2 on 2.4 (3x3 is only for 5.8 802.11ac).

/M

I think you read my post wrong or I just wrote it wrong. By 3x3, I meant 3 antenna, but with 2(2x2) stream at most per client(300 Mbps on 40 MHz/144 Mbps on 20 MHz). Antenna diversity will be used to choose the two best antennas out of three on 2.4 GHz. I probably shouldn't have said 3x3 and should have said 3 antenna with 2x2. Fixed.


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Great, just what I need AT&T to blast another frequency with 3x the power vs. what they need.

I live in a house and can probably see 12-15 2-wire signals and mind you these houses are not butt up against each other. The RF interference is nuts and I have moved to 5GHz AC band to have some actual usable wifi as on 2.4GHz the bandwidth sucks due to all this.

Now they want to move to it too. They need to stop putting these in the field on default max power and clogging up the airwaves. End of the day it hurts everyone.

I understand in some situations it may need to be but not every single one. It should have some sort of site survey test or something to do or be part of install to set it correctly, but they don't even allow you to set it...

The whole 802.11AC is a joke. It's fast an great now because most people are on 2.4GHz but now move everyone to 5GHz and all you did was create the same thing, but in this case it will be worse because they are mashing more channels together to get this bandwidth and increasing power output...


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said by AnonMan :

Great, just what I need AT&T to blast another frequency with 3x the power vs. what they need.

I live in a house and can probably see 12-15 2-wire signals and mind you these houses are not butt up against each other. The RF interference is nuts and I have moved to 5GHz AC band to have some actual usable wifi as on 2.4GHz the bandwidth sucks due to all this.

Now they want to move to it too. They need to stop putting these in the field on default max power and clogging up the airwaves. End of the day it hurts everyone.

I understand in some situations it may need to be but not every single one. It should have some sort of site survey test or something to do or be part of install to set it correctly, but they don't even allow you to set it...

The whole 802.11AC is a joke. It's fast an great now because most people are on 2.4GHz but now move everyone to 5GHz and all you did was create the same thing, but in this case it will be worse because they are mashing more channels together to get this bandwidth and increasing power output...

Yeah, those 2WIREs go incredibly far. If I let my inSSIDer run all day, I can see 35 2wires. What makes it worse is that these 2wires like to overlap you to death. They totally throw 1,6, and 11 out the window with their 400 mW! My 2wire goes about 900ft on my phone with a weak wireless card.

I think AC will be ok. While more people will be using the same channel(unless they begin using the two additional 80 MHz channel spots) and we only have 2(4) spots to 80 MHz, I don't think interference will be that bad. Most of the 2.4 GHz interference is from overlapping networks. You see only a slight decrease in throughput when on the same channel. Channels 36-48 will probably end up cleaner though due to most devices preferring 149-165 instead and many manufacturers defaulting it to the upper band. Probably due to the higher output power.

Seems like this gateway, like many U-verse gateways will have higher output power on 6 compared to 1 and 11. It also seems to be limited to 149+153+157+161 80 MHz bonding. Test results claim that it cannot use any other channels.

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Re: NEW! U-verse Gateway - Motorola NVG599 - WIRELESS AC! AC1600

I like it when Arris put motorola logo on Arris NVG599 Is that a final design?


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On the product info pdf, it has an Arris logo, but on the individual picture, it has a Motorola logo

Perhaps Arris/Motorola hasn't figured out which branding it wants to use, going forward? Or maybe AT&T has a say in which branding it wants on the U-Verse equipment? All previous Motorola/Arris equipment on U-Verse has been Motorola branded (the IPTV set tops, 2210, 2310, NVG510, NVG589, the WiFi STB Access Point)


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@dragonman330, ILpt4U

Wow, I didn't even notice that lol. Even though they brand everything by default as Arris, other ISPs who are using "Motorola" gear has the Motorola logo instead.

Even more odd is that the Motorola logo is "white" when it should be "red." O_o

This is my best guess at the colors:
Arris Motorola = Red
Legacy Motorola Home = White or Black
Motorola Solutions = Black or Blue
Motorola, Google = Colorful


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Re: NEW! U-verse Gateway - NVG599 - WIRELESS AC! AC1600

said by AnonMan :

The whole 802.11AC is a joke. It's fast an great now because most people are on 2.4GHz but now move everyone to 5GHz and all you did was create the same thing, but in this case it will be worse because they are mashing more channels together to get this bandwidth and increasing power output...

Although it's still going to be a mess, it won't be as bad as the current 2.4GHz situation.

With 2.4GHz there's 3 non-overlapping channels, but on 5GHz with 80MHz wide channels there are 5 non-overlapping channels. Plus, if an AP detects someone else trying to use the same channel it will automatically drop back to 40MHz (10 non-overlapping channels) and then 20 MHz wide channels in order to avoid interference. Also helping is the fact that 5GHz doesn't penetrate or go as far as 2.4GHz does.

/M


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said by mackey:

said by AnonMan :

The whole 802.11AC is a joke. It's fast an great now because most people are on 2.4GHz but now move everyone to 5GHz and all you did was create the same thing, but in this case it will be worse because they are mashing more channels together to get this bandwidth and increasing power output...

Although it's still going to be a mess, it won't be as bad as the current 2.4GHz situation.

With 2.4GHz there's 3 non-overlapping channels, but on 5GHz with 80MHz wide channels there are 5 non-overlapping channels. Plus, if an AP detects someone else trying to use the same channel it will automatically drop back to 40MHz (10 non-overlapping channels) and then 20 MHz wide channels in order to avoid interference. Also helping is the fact that 5GHz doesn't penetrate or go as far as 2.4GHz does.

/M

I wouldn't really count those additional 80 MHz areas since barely any consumer gear uses them and many devices being are defaulted to use channels in the upper 5 GHz band(Netgear defaults all of their new dual band routers to channel 153). The only device I have seen that is available to regular people and can use non 38-48 or 149-165 channels is the VAP2500. My WNDA4100 can detect networks on non 38-40 or 149-165 channels while my new A6200 cannot. The upper 5 GHz band is going to become quite congested. No overlapping does help however.

Many AC routers don't have much of a wide gap between 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz range(when in the upper band). A R6300v2 can have -50 on 2.4 GHz and -55 on 5 GHz and my EA6300v1 has -48 on 2.4 GHz and -54 on 5 GHz. Dropping to the lower band(with lower output power) does however widen that gap.

I also wouldn't count on the automatic fallback. Many devices in the 2.4 GHz band don't fallback from 40 MHz(even wifi certified devices). Examples: The WNR1000v3 with 150 Mbps enabled, the Belkin N150, EA6300v1(With N only/auto channel width enabled), R6250(Disabling 20/40 MHz coexistence), even a Comcast SMC gateway is wifi certified, yet it forces 40 MHz by default.

I feel that more devices should support the additional 5 GHz channels that you mentioned to help ease congestion.

I did however notice that more companies with devices in the 5 GHz band are now putting in dynamic auto channel modes. Networks in the 5 GHz band are usually easy to "nudge" off a channel if you put your network on it since they use dynamic auto modes that work while the unit is running instead of just on boot up/wireless refresh.


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That's the issue though.

2.4GHz has the same "auto" ability to reduce from 40 to 20MHz and in fact 2.4GHz routers currently auto select channels better because they often have "auto" as a channel option. Very few 5GHz routers allow an "auto" on the 5GHz band because it has a decent hit on boot up time etc.

That and the whole range thing isn't as true as it use to be. Yes 24GHz can go further they have bumped the 5GHz up a good deal to help compensate for this.

I use only 5GHz in my house and my signal is almost identical as when 2.4GHz is on. I actually get better on 5GHz because no interference.

The whole it has less range just doesn't help when they are putting amps and boosters on the 5GHz to help give it similar range.

I wish the technology would just get smarter as far as power output and auto sense the furthest device and reduce power to only as needed. Then maybe every so often do a pulse burst at the max rate to allow the chance for any new device to connect that may otherwise be outside limit and re-adjust. Even if just once every 15 seconds that clears up a lot of airwaves for a big period of time per minute.


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There's this one too. The N595

»apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/V···Z5NVG595

It's only N600 though and probably for business only based on the manual. I figured I would mention this one since I stumbled upon it again after I mentioned it to someone else about 2-3 months ago.


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Everything will be branded Arris edventually, just like Pace is slowly branding 2wire stuff as Pace (Pace 4111N). It just might of been in the pipeline back when Motorola was separate, thus the logo. Easier to change a logo in photoshop vs the actual device.


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said by OSUGoose:

Everything will be branded Arris edventually, just like Pace is slowly branding 2wire stuff as Pace (Pace 4111N). It just might of been in the pipeline back when Motorola was separate, thus the logo. Easier to change a logo in photoshop vs the actual device.

I think the Motorola logo is not as bland as the Arris one anyway :P.


OSUGoose

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Meh, I'm more pissed that this is the way Google chose to kill Motorola. Farm off the stuff that could of made them money, but I guess the MSO were scared of Google making their gear.


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said by OSUGoose:

but I guess the MSO were scared of Google making their gear.

Probably

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One of the new NV's is a Pace model- I have it. Maybe about 100 out in the actual field working.

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I would just like to have something that doesn't fuck up and stop working every three months like the current NVG510's. Could care less about AC or anything else, I'll take care of that myself with a worthwhile aftermarket AP.

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Wild stuff. After the NVG589 I didn't expect us to see another router any time soon.

Makes sense for them to incorporate the 5 GHz band for the wireless boxes into the gateway.

I highly doubt the 5GHz band will be accessible to anything but the wireless boxes. Allowing clients to use it would just cause trouble for the boxes.

Good lord! Look at how thick this sucker is. It's practically the size of an X-Box One


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said by Paralel:

Good lord! Look at how thick this sucker is. It's practically the size of an X-Box One


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Darn, I tried to upgrade my nvg510 to the 599 and was told no such item exists... yet.

I'll try again next month.

And yes the UNII-2 extended channels (100-140) are hard to come by. All my AP's provide but most of my clients are blocked. At this point in time, I haven't found any 802.11AC usb dongles that support UNII-2 extended..


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As far as I know, the direct upgrade from the NVG510 is the 5168NV. I don't think they're allowing the other ADSL2+ compatible models on ADSL2+. I haven't heard much of people receiving the 5168NV though. Seems someone has received it according to UV Realtime firmware reporting.

Correct adsl2+ RG are the 510, just released beginning 2014 for our market, the bonded pair adsl/vdsl 5168

The 5168 is similar to the 589, offering both wireless N, gigaports and possibility of iptv over coax.
Big difference the 5168 is purchased ($100) versus leased ($7/month) 589...

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said by my thoughts :

The 5168 is similar to the 589, offering both wireless N, gigaports and possibility of iptv over coax.
Big difference the 5168 is purchased ($100) versus leased ($7/month) 589...

I don't think we can buy Pace NV5168 since its is uverse IPTV modem. Correct me if I'm wrong or not.
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The new Pace 5168 has IPTV capabilities, not that Uverse has made any announcement that adsl2+ accounts will have access to IPTV.

The 5168 is being released initially for bonded adsl2+ circuit like the 589 was for bonded vdsl circuits.

As the unit is capable of both adsl2+ and vdsl, if released to vdsl market,this would allow internet only or internet/voip accounts who desire gigaports to buy an official N (2.4ghz) giga RG instead of leasing the 589 RG.

As Uverse Project VIP is stated of having up to 45M download on adsl2+, this is the gateway to allow that.