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GmDude66

join:2007-09-09
York, PA
reply to SpHeRe31459

Re: [X1-X2] Obtaining X1 with existing double play package

Really good performance so far. Guide does lag here and there. I think the X2 preview actually works BETTER with this box than X1.



telcodad

join:2011-09-16
Lincroft, NJ
kudos:3
reply to SpHeRe31459

said by SpHeRe31459:

I hope they find their way into other markets soon. I'm still waiting to see how everything with the X2 update shapes up, but one of my other hope was that the ARRIS-Moto hardware was out too so I could see what another vendor's performance and reliability was like.

The MCN article tonight about the X2 roll-out (»Re: [X1-X2] X2 deployment news ) also says this about the new ARRIS XG1 boxes:
quote:
Comcast kicked off X1 deployments by distributing “XG1” HD-DVRs made by U.K.-based set-top-maker Pace, but the MSO confirmed that it has also begun to roll out Arris-made models as well. Having an additional source of boxes should help Comcast to avoid the kind of supply shortage it fought through last fall (»www.multichannel.com/distributio···d/146032).

joejoejeo

join:2006-04-02
Bloomington, IN

whats the difference between the Pace XG1 and the Motorola XG1


GmDude66

join:2007-09-09
York, PA

I would love to see the actual component specs.


SpHeRe31459

join:2002-10-09
Sacramento, CA
kudos:1

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reply to joejoejeo

said by joejoejeo:

whats the difference between the Pace XG1 and the Motorola XG1

They are basically just different OEM manufacturers. They're all made to Comcast's RDK specifications for an XG1 class device.

We know that the Pace XG1 is based on an Intel SoC (Intel Atom CE4200 Media Processor). »www.multichannel.com/cable-opera···t/139985

While we're not sure about the Moto XG1, I think it's a variant on their DCX3600 platform, which would make it based on a relatively recent Broadcom SoC (BCM7425).

EDIT: My supposition about the linage of the Moto version has basically been confirmed by the FCC internal photos, it's a DCX3600 variant. The motherboard says "DCX3600/XG1". »apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/V···=ACQ-XG1

Oh and I just noticed that the Moto XG1 doesn't have component video out, just standard composite video and of course HDMI. The Paces does have component.

joejoejeo

join:2006-04-02
Bloomington, IN

ok thanks



telcodad

join:2011-09-16
Lincroft, NJ
kudos:3

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Pace XG1 Rear Panel
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Arris XG1 Rear Panel
said by SpHeRe31459:

said by joejoejeo:

whats the difference between the Pace XG1 and the Motorola XG1

They are basically just different OEM manufacturers. They're all made to Comcast's RDK specifications for an XG1 class device.
:
EDIT: ...
Oh and I just noticed that the Moto XG1 doesn't have component video out, just standard composite video and of course HDMI. The Paces does have component.

Yes, their rear panel layouts are quite different.

ComcastTech

join:2008-05-31
reply to GmDude66

yea my system uses the Arris set top boxes that don't have component built in.


jwilliams11

join:2014-02-04
usa
reply to GmDude66

I just got my X1 installed this morning and can confirm the box is also an Arris/Moto XG1. I'm in the Scranton, PA area.


GmDude66

join:2007-09-09
York, PA
reply to ComcastTech

Any idea on when the Ethernet, USB, eSATA, and HDMI inputs will be able to be utilized?



telcodad

join:2011-09-16
Lincroft, NJ
kudos:3

said by GmDude66:

Any idea on when the Ethernet, USB, eSATA, and HDMI inputs will be able to be utilized?

See this previous thread: »[X1-X2] on the back of the x1 box

GmDude66

join:2007-09-09
York, PA

Hopefully soon Filling up the X1 quickly!



FAUguy

join:2014-01-22
reply to telcodad

Since my main HDTV is a Panasonic Tube 1080i 36", it lacks HDMI so I have to use the Component out from the current DCX3400M box. I also have a Mitsubishi SVHS that uses the S-Video from the DCX3400M. I guess only the Pace X1 box has the Component 1080 out, but S-Video is gone for good.



telcodad

join:2011-09-16
Lincroft, NJ
kudos:3

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said by FAUguy:

... I also have a Mitsubishi SVHS that uses the S-Video from the DCX3400M. I guess only the Pace X1 box has the Component 1080 out, but S-Video is gone for good.

Yeah, I've noticed that S-video outputs are no longer provided on a lot of newer video equipment, such as DVD and Blu-ray players, anymore.

Like you, I have some older, non-HD TV sets that have an S-video input, which I'd rather use than the composite (ewww) or RF inputs (yuck!).

I found this (somewhat expensive) HDMI-to-S-video converter on Amazon, though, that I thought about getting so I can use the HDMI output on the new HD-DTA's with these older TV sets:

Keedox HDMI To Composite RCA & S-video Converter Scaler 720p 1080p with Adapter
»www.amazon.com/Keedox%C2%AE-Comp···0GGFY6LW

SpHeRe31459

join:2002-10-09
Sacramento, CA
kudos:1

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said by FAUguy:

Since my main HDTV is a Panasonic Tube 1080i 36", it lacks HDMI so I have to use the Component out from the current DCX3400M box. I also have a Mitsubishi SVHS that uses the S-Video from the DCX3400M. I guess only the Pace X1 box has the Component 1080 out, but S-Video is gone for good.

The lack of S-Video isn't worth worrying too much about when it comes to cable/satellite. It's still an SD-only interface and while yes it's supposed to be technically superior, in my experience on a modern TV (i.e. one with a decent comb filter which that Panny certainly would have) I've not found it to make any noticeable difference between composite and s-video from the output of a cable/satellite set-top box. The channels are already so compressed, that any real picture quality issues they have are inherent in the source.

Obviously component is important for you and your TV, it gets you HD quality, etc. So if you go to X1 get a Pace DVR, depending on your region that's what you'll get anyway. We've only seen reports of the Motorola-ARRIS XG1 in the east. I bet you can request that you get an X1 DVR with component video output.


telcodad

join:2011-09-16
Lincroft, NJ
kudos:3

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said by SpHeRe31459:

said by FAUguy:

Since my main HDTV is a Panasonic Tube 1080i 36", it lacks HDMI so I have to use the Component out from the current DCX3400M box. I also have a Mitsubishi SVHS that uses the S-Video from the DCX3400M. I guess only the Pace X1 box has the Component 1080 out, but S-Video is gone for good.

The lack of S-Video isn't worth worrying too much about when it comes to cable/satellite. It's still an SD-only interface and while yes it's supposed to be technically superior, in my experience on a modern TV (i.e. one with a decent comb filter which that Panny certainly would have) I've not found it to make any noticeable difference between composite and s-video from the output of a cable/satellite set-top box.

I've found the improvement in PQ depends greatly on how the S-video signal is generated/handled at each end of the connection.

Some brands of video equipment provide a noticably improved PQ using the S-video output over the composite one, while for others I didn't notice much difference, like you.


FAUguy

join:2014-01-22
reply to telcodad

said by telcodad:

said by FAUguy:

... I also have a Mitsubishi SVHS that uses the S-Video from the DCX3400M. I guess only the Pace X1 box has the Component 1080 out, but S-Video is gone for good.

Yeah, I've noticed that S-video outputs are no longer provided on a lot of newer video equipment, such as DVD and Blu-ray players, anymore.

Like you, I have some older, non-HD TV sets that have an S-video input, which I'd rather use than the composite (ewww) or RF inputs (yuck!).

I found this (somewhat expensive) HDMI-to-S-video converter on Amazon, though, that I thought about getting so I can use the HDMI output on the new HD-DTA's with these older TV sets:

Keedox HDMI To Composite RCA & S-video Converter Scaler 720p 1080p with Adapter
»www.amazon.com/Keedox®···0GGFY6LW

The way my current system is connected:
1) SD video from cable box via Composite to TV.
2) S-Video from cable box to Mit's S-VHS, then to TV.
3) HD video from cable box (and blu-ray) via Component to TV.

I use #1 for watching SD 480i/p from the cable box. I found this is better than #2, as the Panasonic HDTV (CT-36HX41) only uses the 3D-Y/C Comb-Filter on Composite, not S-Video. So because of this SD from the cable box looks better with Composite. But if I want to record to VHS/SVHS tape, or play a tape, I use #2, as the Mits unit has a 3D-Y/C Comb Filter when playing tapes. For watching 1080i from the box, I use #3, with the Component.

I have seen on-line a product called HD Fury
»www.hdfury.com/shop/
that can take two HDMI input sources and has an output for Component. You can toggle between which HDMI input you are using (box or blu-ray), but at almost $300, it's a bit pricy.


telcodad

join:2011-09-16
Lincroft, NJ
kudos:3

said by FAUguy:

I have seen on-line a product called HD Fury
»www.hdfury.com/shop/
that can take two HDMI input sources and has an output for Component. You can toggle between which HDMI input you are using (box or blu-ray), but at almost $300, it's a bit pricy.

Thanks, that's an interesting (but expensive) site! »www.hdfury.com/hdmihdcp/

anOncologist

join:2007-11-30
reply to GmDude66

Hello.

I have so little time to ever even think about haggling and what not for my Comcast Triple Play service in Saint Minnesota. My typical bill for Triple Play is $228 a month. That includes nation wide, toll free telephone, high speed Internet and pretty much all of the television channels except for one or maybe two of the premium channels.

Luckily I have a family that enjoys the service, I don't seem to find much time to watch TV, cruise the Internet or even talk on the phone to friends and family. Sorry to rant!

Is the X1 something that Comcast is going to want more money for? Is it worth it I guess is probably the question of the day?

Best wishes.


GmDude66

join:2007-09-09
York, PA
Reviews:
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You will be able to work out a better monthly rate if you choose to upgrade to the X1. I pay $146 for the triple play package that includes preferred plus tv, blast internet (50mbps), unlimited nationwide phone, and X1 in two rooms. They also waived my installation fee.