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mackey
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join:2007-08-20
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reply to antdude

Re: Netflix

said by antdude:

I still like physical medias with no lame DRMs.

I am unsure which media you are referring to. Blu-Ray with AACS? DVD with CSS? VHS with Macrovision? AFAIK all media had some form of DRM added to it.

/M

GuruGuy

join:2002-12-16
Atlanta, GA

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said by mackey:

said by antdude:

I still like physical medias with no lame DRMs.

I am unsure which media you are referring to. Blu-Ray with AACS? DVD with CSS? VHS with Macrovision? AFAIK all media had some form of DRM added to it.

/M

And still easily copied by some with the right tools...
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GuruGuy

Mele20
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Hilo, HI
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reply to mackey
I just got my first DRMed monitor. It doesn't feel so good.


antdude
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said by Mele20:

I just got my first DRMed monitor. It doesn't feel so good.

Get rid of it!


DrDrew
That others may surf
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said by antdude:

said by Mele20:

I just got my first DRMed monitor. It doesn't feel so good.

Get rid of it!

every display with HDMI has a DRM decoder of sorts.
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dave
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said by DrDrew :

every display with HDMI has a DRM decoder of sorts.

Yeah, the 'DRM display' (if that means what I suppose it means) is the innocent end of DRM. It's being asked to show its id to the border guards; it's not the border guard.

Or am I missing something?

Mele20
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I think you are right. It is not the border guard. When the border guard demands an ID it provides it.

It does it with mini display port to display port cable that I am using to connect the monitor to the computer. But it doesn't do it with my Samsung HD TV which is connected via HDMI cable to the computer. Seems it should. It's a bit misleading/confusing because the two are set as duplicate displays. The TV duplicates what's on the monitor's screen so I guess the DRM is already in use on the PC screen and doesn't need to also be on the TV.
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When governments fear people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. Thomas Jefferson


Snakeoil
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reply to cableties
said by cableties:

Stick to the OP please.

It's about Netflix (and others) not wanting to pay more for access, then ofcourse, passing the costs onto the consumer.

So what one should be asking, Should the internet be a utility and regulated? Can it remain neutral? And who should be its overseer? Users? Peers?
Seeing that ISPs and providers like Verizon, ATT, etc, are ditching the copper lines (phone) for fiber and wireless data (LTE), they are already killing unions (wireless workers are not CWA), they would get free-reign to charge everyone per packet. Think about it.

I think it was the UN that a couple of weeks ago said Internet access was a human right.

Add to that, many on this site and in the USA think/feel the internet is a must have and that the poor should get access to it [paid for by tax payer or maybe extension of the phone charge].

So putting those 2 things together makes me think that it won't be long before the US government steps in and says it's a necessity like gas, electric, water. And by doing so regulates the price range in which the consumer can be charged.

Right now I'm in the wait and see phase. Waiting to see if rates go up, and if they do decide on killing my internet service or Netflix.

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Is a person a failure for doing nothing? Or is he a failure for trying, and not succeeding at what he is attempting to do? What did you fail at today?.


Blackbird
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said by Snakeoil:

... So putting those 2 things together makes me think that it won't be long before the US government steps in and says it's a necessity like gas, electric, water. And by doing so regulates the price range in which the consumer can be charged.

And they'll probably assign the NSA the responsibility for regulating it.
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The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money. -- A. de Tocqueville


Moriarte
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Spring Hope, NC

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reply to Snakeoil
Human right? Ugh... Anyway, the companies that "provide" the access to the internet should have a right to profit from providing that access. That is what they use to maintain and expand access to the internet. I don't have a problem with them doing that. But I do have a problem with the lack of competition in most markets. If there was more competition, prices would drop. But if you have a monopoly, you are at their mercy.

Rather than see the US Government step in to regulate pricing, I would much rather see some regulation that opens up market competition.
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Democracy isn't about aour ability to pick good leaders, it is about our right to pick bad ones - MoriarteGemThe Blade must pass through the fire, else it will break -Par Salian


Moriarte
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Spring Hope, NC
reply to Mele20
said by Mele20:

Netflix should never ever keep any information about what you watch. No one wants that!

Actually, as a parent I like being able to go in and see what my children have watched on Netflix while I was away from home. Heck, I even like being able to see what my SO was watching on Netflix while I was away from home.

said by Mele20:

That's one reason people refuse digital TV because a set top box makes its easy for the provider to snoop on your viewing habits. Netflix's business is ONLY to stream whatever you decide you want to see. They should offer NOTHING except that.

I would think it would be Netflix's decision, and the decision of it's customer base as to what perks/features they provide, not you. You, as in all capitalistic ventures, have the right to not participate, but I stop short of saying you have the right to dictate what they do or don't offer their customers.

said by Mele20:

There is zero reason why one would want Netflix to keep track of what they watch and only a fool would create a Netflix account and stick in it what they watch or plan to watch in the future. Same with youtube.

I think I just gave a very valid reason. As long as I am aware they are doing it, I don't see a problem with it.

said by Mele20:

Only a fool allows cookies there and/or sets up an account.

Not going to argue that there are a lot of fools out there. That is definitely a fact... We can disagree on the stick used to judge who is one and isn't one though.

said by Mele20:

I don't need my hand held which Amazon seems to think is what I do want!

That is great. But most regular users of online products are not as savvy and most of them look for features when shopping for a service online, not privacy. You should send a letter to Amazon suggesting that they offer a premium service that allows you to use their product but provide better privacy protection. If there was a market for it, I have no reason to believe they wouldn't offer it. If enough folks were willing to pay for it, it would come to fruition.
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Democracy isn't about aour ability to pick good leaders, it is about our right to pick bad ones - MoriarteGemThe Blade must pass through the fire, else it will break -Par Salian


Snakeoil
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reply to Moriarte
I agree. I think it's stupid that cable has the "last mile" of protection. Though I think it's more then a mile, because in my area it seems they operate in regions.

I haven't tried a second party DSL provider, like I did when I lived in GA. So I'm not sure how "protective" AT&T is of it's last mile. When i was in GA my first DSL provider was a second party, who went out of business. Bellsouth has no issue with leasing them the DSL lines, nor hooking me up after they went under.
I've been in AT&T country in Ohio for 6+ years. Every year I check to see if Uverse hits me, and every year it doesn't.
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Snakeoil
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reply to Blackbird
lol.. I wouldn't be surprised, or at least the FCC.


Steve
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Foothill Ranch, CA
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reply to Mele20
said by Mele20:

Netflix should never ever keep any information about what you watch. No one wants that!

Oh?

I have found some great stuff because Netflix said "If you like $THIS you might like $THAT".

dave
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reply to Mele20
said by Mele20:

... and only a fool would create a Netflix account and stick in it what they watch or plan to watch in the future.

You understand that I do not like being called a fool by you?

Since you've called me a fool, should I treat you the same way in future?

If you don't really intend to call me a fool, then watch what you write, and stop it with the sweeping generalizations.


Steve
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said by dave:

You understand that I do not like being called a fool by you?

She believes she can choose what's best for you better than you can choose what's best for you, because her tastes trump non-Mele tastes.

It's a compelling point that I am hard-pressed to counter.