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Mele20
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Hilo, HI
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reply to jaykaykay

Re: Netflix

I can't applaud this action because Netflix does not allow one to cancel a subscription and wipe out their user information EVER. Netflix should be boycotted by anyone who values their privacy. They are one of the worst on the internet for NEVER allowing your information to be removed from their data base after you cancel your subscription. That,of course, is because they want to sell your privacy...it is worth a lot....and they want to be able to sell it forever no matter how long ago you cancelled your membership. This is why I don't join Netflix. I have zero respect for the company because they have zero respect for their customer's privacy if they cancel their membership.

»justdelete.me/
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Name Game
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Grand Rapids, MI
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That's Bull Shit again... and so is your assumption.

Will I have to start all over if I restart my Netflix account?
We'll keep your Watch Instantly Activity for one year after your account closes, so if you decide to come back during that time, you can pick up right where you left off.
Your recommendations and ratings will also be saved for one year, and if you were receiving DVDs from us, we'll save your Queue for one year after your account closes as well.

»support.netflix.com/en/node/407
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dave
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reply to Mele20
So use a discardable email alias.

Naturally, they'll still have your credit card number. Just like anyone else you ever give your credit card number to.


Name Game
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reply to Mele20
If all these posting you make about privacy in so many threads really had any merit..you would not even be posting in this Security forum and so many other forums which you have become a member because they all have policies that state they "own" all the data you post and there is more real privacy info contained therein you can never delete..even if you cancel your membership or subscription. It lives on forever.

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Mele20
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reply to Name Game
You are not bothering to read again. "My assumption" - what assumption? I have made no assumption. justdeleteme is NOT my website. I did not say that about Netflix policy. justdeleteme says it.

If you believe justdeleteme website is full of BS then tell THEM don't complain to me! GEEZ...

What Netflix says is a lie according to justdeleteme. I certainly would believe a website that researched all these sites and their policies on selling user information, making it from easy to impossible to delete that information depending on the website in question before I would believe Netflix. It is to Netflix's great advantage to sell your information even after you cancel your account and the fact you cannot delete your account EVER is a main reason why Netflix charges so little per month! You didn't think they were charging so little out of the goodness of their heart did you? Maybe you are naive.

Even if Netflix changed their policy, after they were exposed by justdeleteme, to keeping it only for one year (which I don't believe they did) that is almost as bad as never letting you delete your account! And you defend them with their FLIMSY EXCUSE they give? Most likely, if you are leaving Netflix, ESPECIALLY AT THE END OF THE 30 DAY TRIAL, you are leaving FOREVER AND SHOULD BE ABLE TO DELETE YOUR ACCOUNT RIGHT THEN. The fact that they keep it even ONE DAY after you leave screams loud and clear that is the reason Netflix is cheap is because they make their money off of selling your information.

Netflix should never ever keep any information about what you watch. No one wants that! That's one reason people refuse digital TV because a set top box makes its easy for the provider to snoop on your viewing habits. Netflix's business is ONLY to stream whatever you decide you want to see. They should offer NOTHING except that. Fools want all that crap from Google that tracks and destroys your privacy. Knowledgeable folks don't fall for it and don't have gmail or any sort of Google account and if they use Google for searching they use Secret Agent for Fx or something similar to mask their searches. Same with Netflix. There is zero reason why one would want Netflix to keep track of what they watch and only a fool would create a Netflix account and stick in it what they watch or plan to watch in the future. Same with youtube. Only a fool allows cookies there and/or sets up an account. Amazon also tries to do this tracking and such crap that I get sick just thinking about how awful they are! I don't need my hand held which Amazon seems to think is what I do want! They are very wrong and are a blight on privacy.
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Mele20
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reply to Name Game
You are totally wrong on every count but I have had it with trying so many times to explain privacy on the net to those who don't have any and have an agenda to persuade everyone that it is not possible to have privacy on the net.
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Majestik
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reply to Mele20
I have a feeling many companies keep your info for at least a year especially since many customers are always switching services all the time.

I went back to Cox HSI after almost two years. Called to cancel back then. Didn't have to give them any of my personal info again. Same password and all. Seem as though they were waiting for me to come back. It's like they just hit a switch and I was back with them instantly.
This is why I send a electronic check and never allow access for the auto withdrawal from my checking account. I use a specific credit card only for Netflix,home alarm,24/7 gym membership,Apple,Amazon,and my $30/mo AT&T grandfathered unlimited IPad 4 LTE. Always call to tell credit card company and change account number if I cancel one of them.
As far as Netflix and others like Amazon,AT&T,Apple iTunes ,etc. goes I've owned these stocks in my Roth 401k and Roth IRA since the 90s and have done so well that I just consider myself compensated and move on.

I cancelled Hulu last year but I bet they still hold my personal info.
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Shady Bimmer
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For what it is worth, I had ended my netflix subscription many years ago (when they still were primarily renting DVDs). My login is still active and they know who I am. I do not know what other details they still save, but they have at least my login, password, and name. They do still have my email as well as periodically (not often and not objectionable) they send me "specials" to get me to rejoin.

I'm not stating or implying they keep any other personal information, but they do at least keep some records apparently longer than the 1 year they claim.


Blackbird
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Whereas it costs any company time and effort to cull old lists, or old entries from current lists, there are also costs to leaving them in if they're no longer valid to the company - depending on what various things they use the listings for. The stories that abound about terminated-account information still being present in business lists years later convince me that those companies are doing something profitable with the entirety of data that they've accumulated. And if it isn't maintaining a current account, it has to be for their own future advertising or is being sold to data marketers.
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dave
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That doesn't sound a whole lot different to 'real world' business.

I once had a magazine subscription. As a consequence, I got a lot of invitations to purchase other magazine subscriptions. And when I no longer had the magazine subscription, I got a lot of letters suggesting I should re-open my magazine subscription.


cableties
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reply to Mele20
Stick to the OP please.

It's about Netflix (and others) not wanting to pay more for access, then ofcourse, passing the costs onto the consumer.

So what one should be asking, Should the internet be a utility and regulated? Can it remain neutral? And who should be its overseer? Users? Peers?
Seeing that ISPs and providers like Verizon, ATT, etc, are ditching the copper lines (phone) for fiber and wireless data (LTE), they are already killing unions (wireless workers are not CWA), they would get free-reign to charge everyone per packet. Think about it.
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Snakeoil
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said by cableties:

Stick to the OP please.

It's about Netflix (and others) not wanting to pay more for access, then ofcourse, passing the costs onto the consumer.

So what one should be asking, Should the internet be a utility and regulated? Can it remain neutral? And who should be its overseer? Users? Peers?
Seeing that ISPs and providers like Verizon, ATT, etc, are ditching the copper lines (phone) for fiber and wireless data (LTE), they are already killing unions (wireless workers are not CWA), they would get free-reign to charge everyone per packet. Think about it.

I think it was the UN that a couple of weeks ago said Internet access was a human right.

Add to that, many on this site and in the USA think/feel the internet is a must have and that the poor should get access to it [paid for by tax payer or maybe extension of the phone charge].

So putting those 2 things together makes me think that it won't be long before the US government steps in and says it's a necessity like gas, electric, water. And by doing so regulates the price range in which the consumer can be charged.

Right now I'm in the wait and see phase. Waiting to see if rates go up, and if they do decide on killing my internet service or Netflix.

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Blackbird
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said by Snakeoil:

... So putting those 2 things together makes me think that it won't be long before the US government steps in and says it's a necessity like gas, electric, water. And by doing so regulates the price range in which the consumer can be charged.

And they'll probably assign the NSA the responsibility for regulating it.
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Moriarte
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Spring Hope, NC

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reply to Snakeoil
Human right? Ugh... Anyway, the companies that "provide" the access to the internet should have a right to profit from providing that access. That is what they use to maintain and expand access to the internet. I don't have a problem with them doing that. But I do have a problem with the lack of competition in most markets. If there was more competition, prices would drop. But if you have a monopoly, you are at their mercy.

Rather than see the US Government step in to regulate pricing, I would much rather see some regulation that opens up market competition.
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Moriarte
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Spring Hope, NC
reply to Mele20
said by Mele20:

Netflix should never ever keep any information about what you watch. No one wants that!

Actually, as a parent I like being able to go in and see what my children have watched on Netflix while I was away from home. Heck, I even like being able to see what my SO was watching on Netflix while I was away from home.

said by Mele20:

That's one reason people refuse digital TV because a set top box makes its easy for the provider to snoop on your viewing habits. Netflix's business is ONLY to stream whatever you decide you want to see. They should offer NOTHING except that.

I would think it would be Netflix's decision, and the decision of it's customer base as to what perks/features they provide, not you. You, as in all capitalistic ventures, have the right to not participate, but I stop short of saying you have the right to dictate what they do or don't offer their customers.

said by Mele20:

There is zero reason why one would want Netflix to keep track of what they watch and only a fool would create a Netflix account and stick in it what they watch or plan to watch in the future. Same with youtube.

I think I just gave a very valid reason. As long as I am aware they are doing it, I don't see a problem with it.

said by Mele20:

Only a fool allows cookies there and/or sets up an account.

Not going to argue that there are a lot of fools out there. That is definitely a fact... We can disagree on the stick used to judge who is one and isn't one though.

said by Mele20:

I don't need my hand held which Amazon seems to think is what I do want!

That is great. But most regular users of online products are not as savvy and most of them look for features when shopping for a service online, not privacy. You should send a letter to Amazon suggesting that they offer a premium service that allows you to use their product but provide better privacy protection. If there was a market for it, I have no reason to believe they wouldn't offer it. If enough folks were willing to pay for it, it would come to fruition.
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Snakeoil
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reply to Moriarte
I agree. I think it's stupid that cable has the "last mile" of protection. Though I think it's more then a mile, because in my area it seems they operate in regions.

I haven't tried a second party DSL provider, like I did when I lived in GA. So I'm not sure how "protective" AT&T is of it's last mile. When i was in GA my first DSL provider was a second party, who went out of business. Bellsouth has no issue with leasing them the DSL lines, nor hooking me up after they went under.
I've been in AT&T country in Ohio for 6+ years. Every year I check to see if Uverse hits me, and every year it doesn't.
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Snakeoil
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reply to Blackbird
lol.. I wouldn't be surprised, or at least the FCC.


Steve
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reply to Mele20
said by Mele20:

Netflix should never ever keep any information about what you watch. No one wants that!

Oh?

I have found some great stuff because Netflix said "If you like $THIS you might like $THAT".

dave
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reply to Mele20
said by Mele20:

... and only a fool would create a Netflix account and stick in it what they watch or plan to watch in the future.

You understand that I do not like being called a fool by you?

Since you've called me a fool, should I treat you the same way in future?

If you don't really intend to call me a fool, then watch what you write, and stop it with the sweeping generalizations.


Steve
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said by dave:

You understand that I do not like being called a fool by you?

She believes she can choose what's best for you better than you can choose what's best for you, because her tastes trump non-Mele tastes.

It's a compelling point that I am hard-pressed to counter.