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IowaCowboy
Iowa native
Premium
join:2010-10-16
Springfield, MA
kudos:1
Reviews:
·Verizon Broadban..
·Comcast

7 recommendations

Then they can pay for the conversion of customer equipment

Fine, they can pay to convert my alarm system to wireless because I cannot afford to transition it. Verizon is a company sitting on millions of dollars that can afford to convert every last customer line to FiOS, I cannot afford needed car repairs (leaking transmission that I just check the fluid and add as needed and front end work) and I need an alarm system due to my close proximity to a high crime public housing complex.

I can afford to pay my monthly bills but Verizon is still making profit off of landlines and would make even more if they'd convert the rest of their footprint to FiOS. One poster on here recently said the current CEO is more concerned about short term profit instead of long term returns like his predecessor.

Do you think I'm going to trust an alarm panel that has a 24 hour UL rated battery backup to some untested battery in a cable EMTA that dies a few hours after losing power, I don't think so and I don't think you would either.
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I have not and will not cut the cord.


TBBroadband

join:2012-10-26
Fremont, OH
Reviews:
·AT&T U-Verse
·MegaPath

One company- ADT. Stop forcing companies to maintain networks that are outdated and not worth updating. And your claim with lottery system using dial-up modems- not the case anymore as they use HughsNet

Expand your moderator at work

Cobra11M

join:2010-12-23
Mineral Wells, TX
reply to TBBroadband

Re: Then they can pay for the conversion of customer equipment

Hughsnet is a sorry excuse for replacement of DSL.. or even high speed internet access.



battleop

join:2005-09-28
00000
reply to TBBroadband

+1 +1 +1....
I HATE and I mean HATE it when a customer has ADT.

It's 2014, not 1994. ADT it's time to get with the program and solve YOUR problem not the other way around.
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I do not, have not, and will not work for AT&T/Comcast/Verizon/Charter or similar sized company.


Crookshanks

join:2008-02-04
Binghamton, NY
reply to IowaCowboy

said by IowaCowboy:

Fine, they can pay to convert my alarm system to wireless because I cannot afford to transition it.

They don't owe you a replacement alarm system, anymore than they owed OnStar customers with AMPS units a replacement when the FCC finally let them decommission AMPS.

Technology changes. Adapt or die.

said by IowaCowboy:

and I need an alarm system due to my close proximity to a high crime public housing complex.

Exercise your 2nd Amendment rights. The alarm system isn't going to magically get the police there in time to keep your ass alive if the worst happens. Nor is it going to get them there in time to save your property if someone breaks in while you're away. That's what insurance is for.

Residential security alarms are a joke. You might as well take the money out your pocket and set it on fire, at least that will provide a few BTUs and so reduce your heating bill.

TBBroadband

join:2012-10-26
Fremont, OH
reply to Cobra11M

Nobody said it was a replacement for high speed internet now did they. No, I said that HughesNet is used for lottery terminals so his claim can't be used that the lottery depends on dial-up connections.


clone

join:2000-12-11
Portage, IN
Reviews:
·T-Mobile US

5 recommendations

reply to IowaCowboy

If you need a new car (leaking transmission and broken front-end is a sure sign of that), a home alarm system is an unneeded luxury.

Besides, remember that when seconds count, the police are only minutes away. I've told you this before, but you really need to stop relying on the nanny state (that has proven time and time again it can't protect us) and be responsible for your own safety and security.

Home alarm systems are pseudo-security for the weak and dependent.


TBBroadband

join:2012-10-26
Fremont, OH
reply to battleop

are you saying ADT is better or what?


clone

join:2000-12-11
Portage, IN
Reviews:
·T-Mobile US

1 recommendation

reply to Crookshanks

Stop using logic reason with people! The only thing that matters is emotion and fear. Haven't you been paying attention lo these last fifteen-odd years? Advocating self-sufficiency and being responsible for one's own safety...sounds like terrorist talk to me!



IowaCowboy
Iowa native
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join:2010-10-16
Springfield, MA
kudos:1
Reviews:
·Verizon Broadban..
·Comcast
reply to battleop

I know one of the crossing guards (my mother's co-worker) lives in a house that abuts the projects and she has ADT and she won't switch phone providers because ADT tells her to stick to Verizon landline.

If I lived in a house that abutted the projects, I'd have Verizon mount the NID at the second story level so an intruder cannot access the lines. Fortunately mine comes in underground and into the basement.
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I've experienced ImOn (when they were McLeod USA), Mediacom, Comcast, and Time Warner and I currently have DirecTV. They are much better than broadcast TV.

I have not and will not cut the cord.



IowaCowboy
Iowa native
Premium
join:2010-10-16
Springfield, MA
kudos:1
reply to clone

The transmission wasn't leaking until I entrusted Sears to change the fluid using the vacuum method. I'm afraid to go after them because they'll say no and they'll charge me more money to fix their mess.


TBBroadband

join:2012-10-26
Fremont, OH
Reviews:
·AT&T U-Verse
·MegaPath
reply to IowaCowboy

BS- ADT won't tell you to keep an alarm, those can be cut easily. ADT's thing is wireless. Why? you don't need a landline. ADT pushes their wireless systems for a reason. It is controlled 100% by them. It uses the VZW and AT&T and in some areas even TMO for the network providers.

You also please stop claiming that just because its a public housing complex the crime is high. The crime is high in your city due to the low employment rate- less jobs - more crime. Maybe if you accepted the issue that you need $$$ coming in and accepted the casino money crime would go down. Plus with even a NID at a 2nd story level, those can still be pulled down. The line has to come down still to be connected to something. And a simple step ladder and pole can yank the line down very easily.


TBBroadband

join:2012-10-26
Fremont, OH
Reviews:
·AT&T U-Verse
·MegaPath
reply to IowaCowboy

Afraid of Sears? You do realize that Sears Holdings is the most consumer friendly company right? They bend over backwards to help customers even if it is the customer's fault. But the better question is can you prove that it was their fault? Have you tried talking to the Store Manager? Even the HQ in IL?



battleop

join:2005-09-28
00000
reply to TBBroadband

ADT is crap. They are still stuck in the 90s because their crap won't work reliably over VoIP where almost all of local based vendors have no trouble at all with lines that are VoIP based.

The only thing they will do for the customer is say "Well it worked before, better go back to at&t." They will not under any circumstances work with us to find a solution for a mutual customer.
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I do not, have not, and will not work for AT&T/Comcast/Verizon/Charter or similar sized company.



battleop

join:2005-09-28
00000
reply to IowaCowboy

"If I lived in a house that abutted the projects"

If that's a problem then the best thing to do is move. Police response is slow in a lot of areas so the alarm isn't going to do much for a seasoned criminal.
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I do not, have not, and will not work for AT&T/Comcast/Verizon/Charter or similar sized company.



Simba7
I Void Warranties

join:2003-03-24
Billings, MT
reply to IowaCowboy

said by IowaCowboy:

Fine, they can pay to convert my alarm system to wireless because I cannot afford to transition it.

Technically, it would work if you used G.711 for VoIP. I'm experimenting utilizing a set of USR Courier modems and my old BBS. If you have a decent latency connection, it is doable.
said by IowaCowboy:

Do you think I'm going to trust an alarm panel that has a 24 hour UL rated battery backup to some untested battery in a cable EMTA that dies a few hours after losing power, I don't think so and I don't think you would either.

Not that hard to get an UPS and plugging the MTA into it. Also, it's more like 6-8 hours before the battery starts getting low.
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waycoolphil

join:2000-09-22
Cathedral City, CA
Reviews:
·Time Warner Cable
·Verizon Online DSL
reply to Crookshanks

The most effective burglary deterrent component of a residential alarm system is the yard sign of a legitimate widely recognized company (like ADT). That's why the signs are stolen so frequently. Someone cruising a neighborhood sees houses with and without alarm yard signs. Which one would you choose? I'd go for the one without the sign.


Crookshanks

join:2008-02-04
Binghamton, NY

said by waycoolphil:

The most effective burglary deterrent component of a residential alarm system is the yard sign of a legitimate widely recognized company (like ADT).

Actually no, the most effective deterrent is a barking dog.

waycoolphil

join:2000-09-22
Cathedral City, CA

I'd rather they don't get close enough to my house to even hear the dog.


Crookshanks

join:2008-02-04
Binghamton, NY

*shrug*, waste your money then. You're paying $30 to $40 month for that "deterrence", which is essentially an expensive bet that a criminal is going to make a calculated and rational decision.

I would submit that breaking into an occupied residence in the United States of America is an inherently irrational act, given the American love affair with firearms and Castle Doctrine. Guess what? Home invasions still happen with distressing regularity, and the alarm system is precious little help in that instance.

Timeline of alarm:

1) Bad guy breaks into your house, alarm goes off.

2) ADT receives alarm, calls you to make sure it's not a false alarm. Meanwhile bad guy is in your house, possibly victimizing you or your family.

3) ADT can't get in touch with you, so they dispatch the police. You've already wasted the time it took for them to attempt to contact you. Now you've got to wait for the police to arrive. This may take five minutes or five hours, depending on where you live. Plenty of time for someone to do you serious harm.

You'd be better off just calling 911 yourself and saving the time ADT wasted making sure it wasn't a false alarm. Even at that, you'll be waiting precious minutes for the police to arrive, in the best case scenario, hours in the worst, so you'd best have a way to defend yourself until they show up.

The alarm is somewhat useful at ensuring the police arrive if your home is burglarized while you're not home, though again, they'll likely arrive too late to actually save your family jewels. You'd be surprised how much a professional thief can pocket in two minutes time.

Truly irreplaceable items belong in a safe deposit box, which you can rent for a lot less money than ADT's annual monitoring subscription. Everything else is insured, or should be.


waycoolphil

join:2000-09-22
Cathedral City, CA
Reviews:
·Time Warner Cable
·Verizon Online DSL

Nice soap box. You seem to be missing my point--with the yard sign the odds are highly in my favor that they will break into my next door neighbor's house that has no sign. Even though I tried to convince him he should have one.

I was marketing/telemarketing director for a large home security firm and we had confidential reports from the LAPD that totally back me up on this. The signs also helped us stroghold entire neighborhoods but that's another issue.


Crookshanks

join:2008-02-04
Binghamton, NY

said by waycoolphil:

You seem to be missing my point--with the yard sign the odds are highly in my favor that they will break into my next door neighbor's house that has no sign. Even though I tried to convince him he should have one.

Go ahead and bet on the rationality of felons if that makes you feel better.

I'll keep my 1911, thank you very much.

clone

join:2000-12-11
Portage, IN
reply to IowaCowboy

If it started leaking after a fluid change, they probably forgot to tighten a cooling line at the radiator. Grab a wrench and snug it up. Cost: $0.


WhatNow
Premium
join:2009-05-06
Charlotte, NC
Reviews:
·Time Warner Cable
reply to Crookshanks

The signs work almost as good as the alarm. The dog barking does not work if it barks at everything all the time. It is also better if the dog is not aggressive but stay away so it can't be silenced by hitting the dog on the head.

The wireline is still slightly regulated but when ma bell was broken up and any company was allowed to lease the entire system at a discount the telcos no longer owed customers service. In cities there is competition from cable. The biggest problem is the customers are ditching the wireline for cable or just wireless. When I got my cell phone I dropped my TWC voip line. Seldom made a call on it and all I got was sales calls. Saved $40+ a month. AT&T has already announced they were dropping switched service by 2020 so this FCC announcement is late.



elios

join:2005-11-15
Springfield, MO
reply to clone

home alarm systems are a deterrent more then any thing else
the hope is that the guy will move along to some elses home that doesnt have one


NJank

join:2008-09-02
Catonsville, MD
Reviews:
·Verizon Online DSL
reply to battleop

funny. my alarm currently goes uses the copper line. but when I signed up they gave me a number of options: wired (copper/POTS), cellular, or wired (VOIP compatible).

its not that ADT can't support other technologies. its that you'd have to pick the modem that matches what you have, and it costs money to change. for the $40/mo minimum that ADT rips you, they should swap your hardware for free if you change.