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Wily_One
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Re: [News] Nadella to be new Microsoft CEO and Gates kicked off board?

said by Riamen:

Microsoft does have a long history of writing software for Apple computers starting with MS BASIC for the Apple II.

Yes, it was called Applesoft BASIC. At that time Microsoft wrote programming language compilers and interpreters, for many platforms.

said by Riamen:

Some here might not know that Excel... were originally Mac only programs.

Excel was a essentially a copy of Lotus 1-2-3, which itself was a copy of Visicalc. Visicalc was the first spreadsheet program for microcomputers and it was written on the Apple II. We've come full circle.

Riamen
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reply to dib22

said by dib22:

Remember don't tell a fanboi that apple computers have been running MS software since the apple II... they might freak out.

I don't think that would have gone unnoticed as Microsoft software is clearly branded.

But Microsoft does have a long history of writing software for Apple computers starting with MS BASIC for the Apple II. Some here might not know that Excel, PowerPoint and the GUI version of Word were originally Mac only programs.

BlitzenZeus
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quote:
After failing to install the(8.1) upgrade by lunchtime, Mr. Gates summoned the new Microsoft C.E.O. Satya Nadella, who attempted to help him with the installation, but with no success.

While the two men worked behind closed doors, one source described the situation as “tense.”

“Bill is usually a pretty calm guy, so it was weird to hear some of that language coming out of his mouth,” the source said.

A Microsoft spokesman said only that Mr. Gates’s first day in his new job had been “a learning experience” and that, for the immediate future, he would go back to running Windows 7.
Hurts the worst when it hits home eh? Even ol' Billy still runs Win 7. "Damn you Steve!"
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dib22

join:2002-01-27
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reply to Link Logger

said by Link Logger:

Did Jobs say that before or after the guy with no taste bailed out his company?

Before and after, multiple times

Remember don't tell a fanboi that apple computers have been running MS software since the apple II... they might freak out.


dib22

join:2002-01-27
Kansas City, MO
reply to BillRoland

said by BillRoland:

I would never recommend Office 365 hosted e-mail to anyone other than very small businesses who have few users and no IT support.

All the people I recommended it to have had no real issues, and some have been using it since october, the only real issue I got a call on turned out to be a billing issue with the client.

...and you hit the nail on the head... small businesses with few users and no IT is where it works perfectly (especially when they are already used to the exchange ecosystem).

If they want exchange I recommend the microsoft solution and if they want non-exchange they get google apps. The uptime on both has been exceptional (much better than other smaller resellers from the past due to the excellent internet peering that ms and goog have).


Kramer
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reply to BillRoland

Speaking of transport rules. I don't know if you know this but when you buy an Office 365 Business subscription you don't get them. I learned this the hard way. I just got a 4 dollar a month Exchange plan for myself a few months before Rolling it out to an office of about 20 users a few months later. That office had no need for anything but the $4/user plan. Then i needed to implement it in an office with 5 or 6 users some of which would benefit by the Office subscription model. So I signed up for a free trial of office 365 business. I started to poke around exchange and found a lot of features missing that I was used to. The interface was completely different. Big pain canceling that account and figuring out how I could get the Exchange I wanted. I must have talked to 4 ms reps everyone giving me a different answer. Finally got someone that explained it all to me. What I needed was the $4 month enterprise exchange accounts plus an add on for $12 per month that gave you Office. Then you get the transport rules. $1 more per month with no discount for annual payment. Their array of plans, options and sub-options is so dizzying that spin in a centrifuge would seem motionless. That's what happens when you get too big.



Kramer
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reply to BillRoland

Go a little deeper. They don't have any plans to fix the problem for almost 2 weeks. I was looking at that two hours ago. The problem concerns rules and can be worked around using Powershell (which I am not too good at). It has had zero effect on what I do, but I could see an admin going bonkers. But then for a person this bothers there aught to be a decent proficiency in Powershell. Problem solved with time wasted.



BillRoland
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Click for full size
Just to illustrate the point.


Wily_One
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reply to dave

LMAO.

Should prove to be a good thing, with both Gates and new CEO experiencing these issues first hand. All of a sudden the BS from the "yes men" evaporate and they get a dose of reality.

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reply to Mele20

It's not getting off to a good start...



intok

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said by Link Logger:

I would as they work and that might just be the reason they are the defacto standard.

Well most wouldn't given that situation.

Remember, if Microsoft hadn't gotten away with all of those anti-trust violations from the start then they'd have never been able to grow into the defacto standard that was able to strong arm the entire computing industry in the 90's.
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I obviously haven't been dealing with the scale you have, but like I said, the Exchange aspect of Office 365 has been pretty good for me. Roll-out was difficult in some cases and auto-discover was an issue with a few PCs, but not many. Microsoft had better get all this right and I think they will eventually. It bites into their enterprise market in a big way. A fairly typical business that writes letters, processes email, and keeps data updated in databases is finding more and more opportunities in the clouds. A completely non-Microsoft shop while unlikely a few years ago, is becoming more prevalent now. Microsoft is becoming irrelevant in many markets they were basically the only solution for a few years ago. They obviously know they must replace this business. They are just so darned big and heavy, I'm not 100% sure they are capable of this. One of the bigger contenders for the CEO position wanted to break up the company. I think that is a wise idea, but it wasn't for him:)

If I had to run my business off an iPad or Android tablet, it would be possible now. Let's say I wanted to use Microsoft software like Office 365. No problem with the email, but what about Word, Excel, etc. Forget it. Yes they have a version of Office for the iPhone, but there is nothing for the iPad. I have installed the Android version and it is a joke. They are protecting their revenues while at the same time reducing them in the future. It is a shortsightedness that continually seems to afflict that company.

Let me just give you one example locally where Microsoft is becoming irrelevant. Our local MLS system is used by thousands of real estate agents. During the last good number of years they were forced into using a MLS system that would only run with a number of Active-X components installed in IE. I can't tell you how much money I have made dealing with various issues getting those components installed or dealing with IE issues they would naturally face. For years, you couldn't use a Mac or an iPad or Chrome or Firefox. Yes they had work-arounds, but they were bad ones. But this week they finally dumped the system in favor of something much more universal. I haven't gotten my hands on it yet, but my understanding is the system is quite good. Here we had 5000-6000 people in one metropolitan area that were tied to Microsoft with probably 10 thousand or more devices. Now they are as free as birds. Microsoft can kiss a lot of that business goodbye.



BillRoland
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said by Kramer:

Been running it here since September. I've had 100% up-time since then so far as I know. I put it in an office with approximately 20 users over two offices. No downtime reported since November. No complaints about speed. Thought about Apps, but they are Outlook-centric and had been complaining about IMAP slowdowns and problems with Google. Probably installed it on another ten or so computers over a couple more offices. No reports of downtime since just before Christmas. One of those offices has complained about speed but they have a 3MB Internet connection with 5 users. I've read about Office 365 problems earlier in the year when they migrated to Exchange 2013... people constantly being disconnected. Apparently they had nowhere near the server capacity they needed. I think those problems are pretty much resolved. I pretty much agree though on VSBs 50 seats or less. This guy agrees »betanews.com/2013/03/15/why-offi···s-email/ On the other-hand there is a long list of large companies and government bodies using the service. You are making me sound like a fan boy and that is far from the case, but I think it is far better now than being described here.

I am not opposed to the concept of Office 365, and there are some good things about the service that I like. The storage capacity is awesome. Its definitely easier on us in IT to not have to manage an Exchange server; whenever there's a mail problem we can dump it off on Microsoft and that's the end of it. Having said that, you must be lucky enough to be on a better tenant than we are. I work in a business with hundreds of users, all on Office 365, and we deal with outages of some kind several times a week. The Exchange Online 2013 upgrade was a disaster, auto-discover did not update server settings for ANYBODY and had to manually repair the Outlook profiles for everyone, it took over 6 months for them to migrate us to EOP from FOPE and we had to escalate it several times before anybody at Microsoft figured out was holding up the upgrade. We're not even doing anything fancy like AD Federation/SSO.
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Kramer
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reply to digitalfutur

said by digitalfutur:

Office 2013 is a big hit for MS sales-wise, as users see the benefit of a subscription based platform...it's quite a bit cheaper to use on multiple computers.

My problem isn't with the subscription model. I think that was a good idea. My problems are technical and visual in nature and mentioned earlier. Not something that can't be fixed. The same can be said for WIN8.


DarkSithPro

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reply to Link Logger

said by Link Logger:

Did Jobs say that before or after the guy with no taste bailed out his company?

Considering he had just come back himself, I don't think that matters.


digitalfutur
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reply to Kramer

Office 2013 is a big hit for MS sales-wise, as users see the benefit of a subscription based platform...it's quite a bit cheaper to use on multiple computers.



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Time will tell, but the new CEO is from the "cloud" (I hate that expression) side of the company.
Personally, I'm not a fan of anything not in my physical control.
The first thing the new CEO should do is address the NSA backdoor concerns brought to light.
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BillRoland
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reply to Mele20

I'm cautiously optimistic about this hire, or at least the move to get Gates more involved. What I hope that means is that Microsoft will return to being a more aggressive company.



Link Logger
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reply to DarkSithPro

Did Jobs say that before or after the guy with no taste bailed out his company?



DarkSithPro

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reply to Mele20

What I want to know: Does Satya Nadella have taste, or is he just another run of the mill tech guy, or a numbers guy like Ballmer?

»www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOgOP_aqqtg


Kramer
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reply to darcilicious

I don't know if Gates being that close to the everyday decisions the company must make is a good thing or bad. You can't argue too much with his track record, but I don't know how much he was involved in the later failures to stay out in front of the technology wave. We will have to see. As I said earlier, I am not too impressed with Office 2013 which was Nadella's puppy. It doesn't make sense for a server to have Metro. Again, Nadella's puppy. Maybe he was over-ruled by those who could over-rule him. Gates says he is going to spend 1/3 of his time as the CEO advisor. We should be able to tell within a year if that is a positive or negative. The ex-chairman deserves a lot of respect, but if there isn't some vision that wasn't there before, the company is just going to coast and not soar. The stock market wasn't too impressed today. MSFT closed down .4% lower.



digitalfutur
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reply to Riamen

Excellent choice for CEO. Of course he'll have to deliver results, but an insider is generally a better choice if a company is not losing buckets of money.

A different skillset is required to turn a money-losing operation around than to make a money-making operation more profitable.
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darcilicious
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Wow, Gates isn't "just" stepping down from board chair:

The company also named a new chairman of the board, as Bill Gates will return to help Nadella plot the course for the company and take a greater role in the company's operations.

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Riamen
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reply to Mele20

It's official.

»arstechnica.com/information-tech···m-chair/



Link Logger
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reply to intok

I would as they work and that might just be the reason they are the defacto standard.



intok

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said by Wily_One:

That could be, but I think MS is taking the long view. As the Forbes article suggests, this is a way to make the Xbox the hub of the home entertainment market. Time will tell if they can pull off what Sony failed to do.

Sony only failed to do so with the PS3 because the other stupid parts of Sony, the Music and Movie side, got in the way of their new tech as per usual. If you remember the early demos and interviews they wanted it to be a full HTPC, but the MAFIAA perts of Sony made sure nothing interesting could come from the computer entertainment part of the company.
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intok

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reply to dave

said by dave:

Indeed, but their fortunes are still fairly closely tied to a declining market - the desktop PC.

I don't get why people keep parroting wallstreet pundit speak. The Desktop and Laptop market segments haven't declined. They just hit market saturation.

For most people their Core2 or Athlon X2 box w/ 2-4Gb of ram and XP or Vista is still running everything they want just fine and any new versions of their software don't bring it to it's knees like was the case in the 90's and early '00's where clockrate and capacities increased like mad.

The heaviest task most people do with their home systems these days is HD video playback, something that their old machine can still do well and will be able to handle new formats like H.265, VP9 and Daala with nothing more then a $40 GPU upgrade desktop or MiniPCIe DSP on their laptop should it have an open slot as many do.

The problem Microsoft has is keeping these people buying new versions of Windows, with XP support ending these people get 3 options, buy a new machine, try and install Win7 or 8.1 or install Linux. Installing Win7 or 8.1 will be more trouble and cost then it's worth on most of these old boxes, but Linux would allow them to run the same hardware till it just up and dies or needs the aforementioned GPU/DSP update for modern video codecs.
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Kramer
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said by lorennerol:

Not to mention that the only support option is to post in forums "moderated" by what appears to be a bunch of idiots who can do little more than copy/paste entirely irrelevant or useless links.

This is just pure baloney. I have had to call Microsoft twice in the last 4 months with Exchange Online issues. In both cases I got someone on the phone within 5 minutes (probably 3 or less actually) who immediately started working on the problem. In both cases I got numerous follow-up phone calls to the point of being obnoxious, as I had already tried to close the trouble ticket with an email. To say they were persistently trying to resolve my problem would be an understatement. The quality of the support wasn't top shelf in one case, but if I wasn't happy with any one support person they constantly emailed me possible other contacts. I can't believe I started ripping MS a new one earlier in this thread and now find myself defending them. I agree with you regarding the forums although I have found some very useful information posted by users. You don't get any help from MS in there though. When they do post it almost as if a machine did it. You need to start a trouble ticket or call them and start one.

Despite the confusing array of plans and prices and add-ons that make dealing with Microsoft a PIA, they have a pretty good product here that hopefully will be cleaned up from a marketing angle once Ballmer leaves.

Edit- from the support link on the portal:
For the United States, telephone support is provided in English 24 hours a day, every day.

Toll-free: 1-800-865-9408


intok

join:2012-03-15
reply to Link Logger

said by Link Logger:

said by dave:

Ballmer lacks vision for the future?

Fourth straight quarter of double-digit sales growth, seems like he has nailed it and considering the economic times, he really nailed it.

Blake

Only caused by being so entrenched in the market. If they where not the defacto standard nobody would be buying their products anymore.

If everyones software and hardware works on any OS and there where say 5 players with more or less equal marketshare would you really choose the current iterations of Windows and Office?
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Kramer
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reply to BillRoland

Been running it here since September. I've had 100% up-time since then so far as I know. I put it in an office with approximately 20 users over two offices. No downtime reported since November. No complaints about speed. Thought about Apps, but they are Outlook-centric and had been complaining about IMAP slowdowns and problems with Google. Probably installed it on another ten or so computers over a couple more offices. No reports of downtime since just before Christmas. One of those offices has complained about speed but they have a 3MB Internet connection with 5 users. I've read about Office 365 problems earlier in the year when they migrated to Exchange 2013... people constantly being disconnected. Apparently they had nowhere near the server capacity they needed. I think those problems are pretty much resolved. I pretty much agree though on VSBs 50 seats or less. This guy agrees »betanews.com/2013/03/15/why-offi···s-email/ On the other-hand there is a long list of large companies and government bodies using the service. You are making me sound like a fan boy and that is far from the case, but I think it is far better now than being described here.