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Mr Guy
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Re: Why will this bill stall in congress?

said by NLiveris:

Do republicans and the tea baggers really want the internet in our country to become a toll bridge system? I'm confused as to why congressional conservatives would oppose net neutrality?

Yes they do. They are the same ones that want to allow insurance companies to deny sick people insurance. republicans do not care about anyone in the bottom 90%.

delusion ftl
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Ah the stench of blind partisanship. My side is always right, your side is evil. If I'm not sure where I sit on a topic, i will check with my party overlords and they will tell me my position.

In reality land both parties are fully bought and paid for by various corporate interests and pander to a base they gin up by demonizing the opposition. You, just like every other blind partisan, have fallen for it hook, line and sinker. It's an embarrassment for any mature adult to still be cheering for either of the two parties. Anyone who thinks different is mis-informed. I think both parties should be thrown away and we should not have any more "career" politicians.

As for network neutrality. You can fight it with more government (more taxes, more money) with mixed results, or you can make the entry into the competitive market attractive (again, with mixed results).

Over the years, I've begun to personally believe the fix to our broadband issues is simply to do on a national (or state level for my friends on the right) utopia style network. Government builds and maintains (via private contractors) a fiber network, similar to how they build and maintain water networks, road networks, etc.. And then allow private, for profit, companies to compete for services over those roads. So if ATT wants to charge 10 dollars for a hookup, and then 10 bucks for access to Google, and 10 bucks for access to netflix, or whatever, they are certainly welcome to it, but when their competitor offers 30 dollars for unlimited everything, they will not last.
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said by delusion ftl :

In reality land both parties are fully bought and paid for by various corporate interests and pander to a base they gin up by demonizing the opposition. You, just like every other blind partisan, have fallen for it hook, line and sinker. It's an embarrassment for any mature adult to still be cheering for either of the two parties. Anyone who thinks different is mis-informed. I think both parties should be thrown away and we should not have any more "career" politicians.

*applauds* nicely said!

Along those same lines, here's an interesting quote about what the so-called "two parties" are really doing to us:

To move the public from point A to point B, one need only find a spokesperson for a certain argument and position him as an authority. That person represents Goalpost One. Another spokesperson is positioned on the other side of the argument, to represent Goalpost Two.

Argument A and B can then be used to manipulate a given social discussion. If one wishes, for instance, to promote IDEA C, one merely needs to promote the arguments of Goalpost One (that tend to promote IDEA C) more effectively than the Arguments of Goalpost Two. This forces a slippage of Goalpost Two's position. Thus both Goalpost One and Goalpost Two advance downfield toward IDEA C. Eventually Goalpost Two occupies Goalpost One's original position. The "anti-C" argument now occupies the pro-C position. In this manner whole social conversations are shifted from, say, a debate over market freedom vs. socialism to a debate about the degree of socialism that is desirable.

The Hegelian dialectic is a powerful technique for influencing the conversations of cultures and nations, especially if one already controls (owns) much of the important media in which the arguments take place. One can then, as the monetary elite characteristically do, emphasize one argument at the expense of the other, effectively shifting the positions of Goalposts One and Two.

The example they gave about socialism is a little dated and probably not applicable to our time, in my opinion, a more up to date version would read:

In this manner whole social conversations are shifted from, say, a debate over whether or not corporations should be allowed to influence government to a debate about the degree of corporate influence on government that is acceptable.

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That sounds awfully socialist. /s I doubt people will vote for public leased line infrastructure when schools and sewer financing get heavy opposition.
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nobody can be denied insurance any longer. The Affordable Care Act corrected that and since it is now law, everyone is protected; including those who were hitting their life time maxes. but that is another topic.

Mr Guy
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said by delusion ftl :

Ah the stench of blind partisanship.

Too bad I'm an independent. But when I was younger I was a registered republican. I have never been a registered democrat. But go ahead keep making assumptions about people you know NOTHING about.
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said by TBBroadband:

nobody can be denied insurance any longer. The Affordable Care Act corrected that and since it is now law, everyone is protected; including those who were hitting their life time maxes. but that is another topic.

yes and republicans want that repealed. You repeal the ACA your bring back pre-existing conditions discrimination and lifetime caps. Also kids can kicked off parents insurance when they turn 18 regardless of need.

KrK
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You do realize the USA is a 100% socialist economy, right?
TBBroadband
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Schools are a different issue and many states have ruled against the taxes to fund school systems at the local level.

Sewer is only because the locals have a hard enough time being able to pay off their current bonds and such let alone paying for the upgrades and keeping up with the regulation set forth by the EPA in regards to how those plants are able to operate and how they are allowed too.

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Personally I think those with high cost disabilities should be shifted onto state Medicaid programs. One of my high school buddies back in Iowa has a high cost disability that he was born with and will never live independently and do you think if he's incurring hundreds if not thousands of dollars of medical expenses each month but if his parents are only paying $400-500 a month to Blue Cross Blue Shield, you are turning that health insurance into a payment plan and leaving the other ratepayers to subsidize his care.

Insurance is to guard against a loss, not to finance a loss once it occurs.

As for keeping kids on their parents insurance, I hope that means the child pays the premium once they turn 18. My dad no longer had to support me once I graduated high school under Iowa law.

My father passed in 2011. I never got to meet him.

I was just thinking as I was eating dinner tonight that the people who write these regulations have zero knowledge of what they're regulating. An example is when they mandated in 1994 that toilets could only use 1.6 gallons per flush or less, then they just could not do the job and people had to flush them twice to expel the contents completely. Same with health insurance, you force coverage on pre-existing conditions, they won't buy insurance until they are in the waiting room at the Emergency Room.
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Yes, and Socialism, Government regulations, and unions are responsible for all the problems in the country. Get rid of all three and we will have a Utopia!

KrK
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You forgot Liberals.

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said by delusion ftl :

I think both parties should be thrown away and we should not have any more "career" politicians.

Enough said!!
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said by Mr Guy :

They are the same ones that want to allow insurance companies to deny sick people insurance. republicans do not care about anyone in the bottom 90%.

Try basing your opinions on facts, rather than your easily manipulated emotions.
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It's funny how every liberal claims to be "independent", when they would never, ever, vote for someone without a (D) next to their name. Tell us, where do you split with the Democrat party? Which Republican positions do you agree with?
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I totally agree. Since the players are all in control at this point, the only choice is to make it like an ESCO but for data. Remove the incumbents and start over. If they fall? So what!
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