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elray

join:2000-12-16
Santa Monica, CA
Reviews:
·Time Warner Cable
·EarthLink

4 recommendations

You can lead a horse...

But you can't get them to punch in an HD channel number.

I shudder every time I see someone's huge flat screen tuned to an SD channel, then I realize that the content they're choosing isn't even worthy of Netflix, so I shrug and wander off muttering something about free will, cheap anesthesia, and the catastrophic consequences of the government monopoly on public education.

Meanwhile, the press and populist blogs enjoy another week of cable-bashing.


Hall
Premium,MVM
join:2000-04-28
Germantown, OH
kudos:2
said by elray:

But you can't get them to punch in an HD channel number.

Dish took care of that as their different generations of HD receivers came along. On the previous generation, the SD and HD channels were duplicated side-by-side (ch 140 SD and 140 HD, for ESPN, were right next to one another). The "real" HD channel was way up high in the 9000 range as well. You also had a setting to show "only SD", "only HD", or both. On the latest generation, i.e. the Hopper, out of the box they have it defaulted to "only HD".

Oh, you forgot to mention that SD channel on their huge flat screen being stretched to fill the screen !!

Skippy25

join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO
In all of AT&T's wisdom you have to tune to the 1000 channels for HD on uVerse.

You would think all of these morons would make it so HD settings on the receiver only = HD channels coming from it (when available). If I set the receiver to do 1080 widescreen, then I clearly dont want to see your 480 crap boxed up on my screen.

smcallah

join:2004-08-05
Home
reply to Hall
TWC boxes also tune to the HD channel now if it is available and you're using an HD box, it's been that way for a while.

The people that had this outage were either using an SD only box, a TiVo, or some other tuner.

raybrett

join:2001-02-20
Saint Louis, MO
reply to Skippy25
Skippy, you are welcome to your opinion. Just don't try to force your option on me. I choose whether I watch SD or HD and I would not want to be forced to watch HD just because I happened to set my receiver to 1080 widescreen.

Rekrul

join:2007-04-21
Milford, CT
reply to elray
Not every one has a huge flat screen. I know a guy who can just barely afford to pay for cable each month. After food and bills, he doesn't have much left over, so he's still using his old CRT TV rather than going out and buying an expensive flat screen TV.

elray

join:2000-12-16
Santa Monica, CA
Reviews:
·Time Warner Cable
·EarthLink
reply to smcallah
said by smcallah:

TWC boxes also tune to the HD channel now if it is available and you're using an HD box, it's been that way for a while.

The people that had this outage were either using an SD only box, a TiVo, or some other tuner.

Not in Los Angeles.

elray

join:2000-12-16
Santa Monica, CA
Reviews:
·Time Warner Cable
·EarthLink

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reply to Rekrul
If you can "barely afford to pay for cable", then you shouldn't have it at all - for you surely aren't managing your finances properly, and you are unprepared for the next fiscal crisis that will cross your path.

Every person I know in the aforementioned category you brought up, has more than one flat-screen TV, and those are second-generation purchases.

My fellow miserly friends I know who still have tubes, simply don't see the point of HD, and are waiting for their CRT's to die before they spend their hard-earned money on a replacement, though I still question their desire for cable. Most of them have HD STB's, which down-convert the HD signal to composite, the result of last year's $1 DVR special. But even though they are wise enough to know to watch the HD channels, I don't think any care for spectator sports.


OneTen

@207.237.90.x

2 recommendations

so naive

did it occur to you that there are very poor people that need a tv cause they cant afford a pc or tablet and use tv as a primary means of cheap entertainment and information like when the next wild fire or drought hits LA. just because one is poor doesnt mean he doesnt deserve to watch the biggest sporting event of the year. there are places in the world where a village gathers around a TV to watch the super bowl. just cause u may live in a more affluent community like santa monica, you're clearly forgetting those in poor areas of the city/county. whatever the case time warner screwed up big time on this one.

said by elray:

If you can "barely afford to pay for cable", then you shouldn't have it at all - for you surely aren't managing your finances properly, and you are unprepared for the next fiscal crisis that will cross your path.

Every person I know in the aforementioned category you brought up, has more than one flat-screen TV, and those are second-generation purchases.

My fellow miserly friends I know who still have tubes, simply don't see the point of HD, and are waiting for their CRT's to die before they spend money on a replacement. Most of them have HD STB's, which down-convert the HD signal to composite, the result of last year's $1 DVR special. But even though they are wise enough to know to watch the HD channels, I don't think any care for spectator sports.



Anonymous_
Anonymous
Premium
join:2004-06-21
127.0.0.1
kudos:2
Reviews:
·Time Warner Cable
reply to Hall

Re: You can lead a horse...

said by Hall:

said by elray:

But you can't get them to punch in an HD channel number.

Dish took care of that as their different generations of HD receivers came along. On the previous generation, the SD and HD channels were duplicated side-by-side (ch 140 SD and 140 HD, for ESPN, were right next to one another). The "real" HD channel was way up high in the 9000 range as well. You also had a setting to show "only SD", "only HD", or both. On the latest generation, i.e. the Hopper, out of the box they have it defaulted to "only HD".

Oh, you forgot to mention that SD channel on their huge flat screen being stretched to fill the screen !!

my grandpa only has SD boxes I tell him to call for the credit....
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Live Free or Die Hard...

BiggA

join:2005-11-23
EARTH
reply to Rekrul
Anyone who can't afford a decent TV shouldn't be paying for cable!


IowaCowboy
Iowa native
Premium
join:2010-10-16
Springfield, MA
kudos:1
Reviews:
·Verizon Broadban..
·Comcast
reply to elray
I still use a SD tube TV in my living room (Toshiba 27"), I have my DirecTV Genie hooked up to it and it tunes to the HD channels by default. I just deal with the letter boxing that comes with the widescreen programming on an older set. As long as it works, just use it until it dies. I have two other TVs, both of them HD.

I have older gaming systems I like to play. I just don't get to play them right now with grandma in the living room and with the carpal tunnel.
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I've experienced ImOn (when they were McLeod USA), Mediacom, Comcast, and Time Warner and I currently have DirecTV. They are much better than broadcast TV.

I have not and will not cut the cord.

Skippy25

join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO
reply to raybrett
I am not forcing crap on anyone, but if you set up your TV for HD then you would expect HD by default and conveniently available.

If you are the 1 out of 1,000,000 people that set your HD TV up and want SD on it then too bad. Why should the other 99,999,999 deal with that stupidity for the one.

And I will say, if you choose to watch SD when HD is available to you for the same content on an HD TV, then you either A.) Are an idiot or B.) Just being a PITA to be a PITA (yes I am judging) as there is no logical argument you could possibly make to choose SD over HD on an HD tv.


djrobx
Premium
join:2000-05-31
Valencia, CA
kudos:2
Reviews:
·Time Warner Cable
·VOIPO
reply to elray

If you can "barely afford to pay for cable", then you shouldn't have it at all - for you surely aren't managing your finances properly, and you are unprepared for the next fiscal crisis that will cross your path.

As much as people love to bitch about their cable bills, cable is still a very cheap form of entertainment, relative to the cost of food, housing, and other vices folks might involve themselves in when they're bored.

elray

join:2000-12-16
Santa Monica, CA
Reviews:
·Time Warner Cable
·EarthLink
reply to OneTen

Re: so naive

Access to information about wild fires and droughts does not require cable TV.

If you're "very poor", you do not need cable.

We are not affluent, nor do we live in an affluent neighborhood. Nice try. We just don't live above our means.

I work with the poor on a near-daily basis. Most are victims of public "education", after which it is a major battle to train them the fundamentals of personal finance and household budgeting, but we reach a few of them.

elray

join:2000-12-16
Santa Monica, CA
reply to djrobx

Re: You can lead a horse...

Indeed, it is, for the average household.

But not for the very poor.

That idle time would be better spent on education and a second or third job.


IowaCowboy
Iowa native
Premium
join:2010-10-16
Springfield, MA
kudos:1
reply to elray

Re: so naive

The public schools here are broken, if I had kids, I'd send them to Catholic school.

There is no way I'd send my kids to the public schools here in Springfield.

elray

join:2000-12-16
Santa Monica, CA
Reviews:
·Time Warner Cable
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My friends who work for the government all send their kids to private schools, yet claim they're underpaid as state employees, and whine for every tax increase.

When it comes time to pay their tremendous property taxes, they ask me: "Where does it go?"

When I ask them why they don't send their children to the local public school, they do their best hand-wringing dance, and mumble something about culture.

The public schools aren't "broken". That would imply they can be fixed. They need to be closed, to hold a "going out of business" sale, and we should simply contract their function to private firms, and let parents decide where their kids go to school. It won't solve every problem, but it will go a long way towards actually educating, not indoctrinating the children, so they might have a chance at an economic future.


IowaCowboy
Iowa native
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Springfield, MA
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Reviews:
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Our schools here have tenured teachers that care more about their paychecks than the success of their students.

I went through the public school system in Iowa and at the time, Iowa had one of the lowest pay rates for teachers in the country but one of the best educational systems in the country. So I can tell you first hand that by not having high teacher pay you weed out the teacher that want a fat paycheck because they'll look towards other career paths instead of teaching in that state. I had some wonderful teachers going through school, I can count the rattlesnakes I've had on one hand.

I remember one dedicated teacher that helped me catch up on spelling and language arts which I was falling behind on. Ever find those dedicated teachers in corrupt school districts in big cities like Springfield (MA) and Boston. This teacher was in the College Community School District, which is a very good public school system in Iowa. I ended up graduating with honors from the Cedar Rapids Community School District and with a high GPA. But there was a point where I was falling behind and they intervened. But those big city school systems would just let a kid like me fall further and further behind and the only option would be to drop out, no wonder these school systems are dropout factories. Money doesn't fix schools, accountability does. Teachers need to be made terminable at will allowing them to be terminated for any reason or no reason at all.
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I've experienced ImOn (when they were McLeod USA), Mediacom, Comcast, and Time Warner and I currently have DirecTV. They are much better than broadcast TV.

I have not and will not cut the cord.

kevinds
Premium
join:2003-05-01
Calgary, AB
kudos:3
Reviews:
·Shaw
reply to elray

Re: You can lead a horse...

Everybody needs some idle-time...

I still have and use a CRT TV, yes it looks bad - colours are going, and it is SD... lol

But it is what I can afford, and it works
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Yes, I am not employed and looking for IT work. Have passport, will travel.

BiggA

join:2005-11-23
EARTH
reply to IowaCowboy

Re: so naive

It depends where you are. Some teachers are really dedicated, some aren't. Some aren't very dedicated, and still do a good job teaching (I've had a couple of those, although they're not that common). Some school systems are excellent, some aren't. Not all public schools are a mess, but many are. The city schools are getting screwed the most with charter schools, but that's a whole different story. What we should have is more uniformity, both in the curriculum and standards, and in the per student funding. Some places have way better funding than others.

elray

join:2000-12-16
Santa Monica, CA
Reviews:
·Time Warner Cable
·EarthLink
LA Schools spend $30K per student and yet, "graduates" only 65%, and many are functionally illiterate. It isn't a matter of money or standards.

Its the fact that it is run by the government, which has no interest in the outcome, only perpetuating government.

Sure, there are a good number of dedicated teachers, but they aren't allowed to teach, because that isn't the purpose of public school.

We'd all be much better off, junking the entire public system, and replacing it with vouchers, wherein parents could choose where their children attend, and give them a wide breadth of private options, including online, home schooling, and trade schools. Good teachers have nothing to fear.


Horsecrap

@verizon.net
reply to elray

Re: You can lead a horse...

Who are you to judge who should or shouldn't subscribe to cable? Topic here is Time Warner Cables failure to deliver a reliable signal.

Rekrul

join:2007-04-21
Milford, CT
reply to BiggA
said by BiggA:

Anyone who can't afford a decent TV shouldn't be paying for cable!

Right, because the world has universally decided that only large screen LCD TVs are "decent"...

BiggA

join:2005-11-23
EARTH
reply to elray

Re: so naive

God no. We need a system that works, not to get rid of the system. The systems should be state run, like Texas. Just not exactly like Texas, since they do some pretty whacky sh*t with our textbooks.

BiggA

join:2005-11-23
EARTH
reply to Rekrul

Re: You can lead a horse...

If you're so poor you can't drop a couple hundred bucks on a decent TV, you shouldn't be spending a thousand bucks or more a year on cable. Unfortunately, people are stupid.

elray

join:2000-12-16
Santa Monica, CA
Reviews:
·Time Warner Cable
·EarthLink
reply to BiggA

Re: so naive

Ours is much far wackier, but on the other side of the spectrum that schools have no business "teaching".

You admit that the state-run school is out of control, but you still want to cede your sovereignty to the government and roll the dice with your kids' education?

We've had generations of "reform", and it only gets worse with each passing year. There is no "fix".

Rekrul

join:2007-04-21
Milford, CT
reply to BiggA

Re: You can lead a horse...

said by BiggA:

If you're so poor you can't drop a couple hundred bucks on a decent TV, you shouldn't be spending a thousand bucks or more a year on cable. Unfortunately, people are stupid.

Who are you to decide what qualifies as a "decent" TV?

BiggA

join:2005-11-23
EARTH
Definitely not anything less than 720p for a secondary TV, that's for sure. And 1080p for something you actually sit down and watch. HD was widely available by 2008, it's now 2014.

BiggA

join:2005-11-23
EARTH
reply to elray

Re: so naive

So the town government isn't the government? What are you smoking? Right now, AFAIK, in every state except Texas, schools are run by individual towns. Which are governments. They just have a wide variation in how good of a job they are able to do in educating.

We have to have a strong public education system in order to have an educated nation and a strong economy. There is no other way.