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cob_
1310nm Of Goodness
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reply to codydog

Re: Verizon's supposed response on a netflix question

Will wait for all the facts to be revealed, but if this is due to residential throttling, I am shocked that they are actually taking this step. They have to realize this will inevitably push the FCC to label them as common carriers and put a stop to this nonsense.



KrK
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It's not throttling in the deliberate regard. More it's oversaturated Verizon controlled caching servers and peering links.... by not maintaining adequate caching server capacity and bandwidth and allowing peering links to be over capacity streaming becomes much degraded.

So it's not throttling via a deliberate throttling plan, it's throttling via not upgrading your equipment and network to handle demand. End result to the user is the same.
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"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." -- Benito Mussolini



Nick5

@verizon.net

I'm wondering if Verizon will decide to put their peering dispute on ice with all this talk about throttling. This press can't be good for them as they lobby for looser (read:no) Net Neutrality regulation. Today's greedy Verizon should take care not to get in the way of tomorrow's greedy Verizon.


promisic

join:2013-10-13
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My opinion is: NO. Verizon will only change if and ONLY if it's customers put enormous pressure on it to change and resolve peering disputes.

I think most of you will appreciate more if Verizon settles (most) peering disputes and keeps its customers happy than give you speed increase for the same price with no full ability to use that speed the way you want it to!

Do you agree with me on that???



birdfeedr
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said by promisic :

I think most of you will appreciate more if Verizon settles (most) peering disputes and keeps its customers happy than give you speed increase for the same price with no full ability to use that speed the way you want it to!

VZ will do neither.

The problem of changing how peering works and is paid for is not going to be resolved quickly. There is too much inertia. That's the way it's always been.

To settle the peering dispute will require a tier 2 provider to pay overage costs to the tier 1 provider. VZ is waiting for level3 or cogent to pony up the bucks. For that to happen Netflix will have to pony up the bucks. That's the way the peering dispute will get settled.

As for VZ giving you a speed upgrade for the same price: dream on. Except for one instance, speed increases always come with a price increase. VZ is smart though, they offer a discount to offset the increase, but it's like the local crack dealer. The first one's free, and boy do you pay for it.


Nick5

@verizon.net

said by birdfeedr:

As for VZ giving you a speed upgrade for the same price: dream on. Except for one instance, speed increases always come with a price increase. VZ is smart though, they offer a discount to offset the increase, but it's like the local crack dealer. The first one's free, and boy do you pay for it.

I'm sure there is a limit to how much speed Verizon is willing to dole out at each price point, but still wouldn't be surprised if they substantially increased speeds. Very few users use even close to the speeds offered, and with the whole peering debate that number is lower than it might otherwise be. I would love to see how many times I truly use the 50/25 connection. For the most part, a user upgrading just means VZ has to be able to handle a Speed Test and doesn't mean substantial additional network load.* I'm sure they would also love to run to the FCC and talk about how fast they are.

Broadband is becoming like all tech. At first specs are super important, but soon they just become a distraction used for marketing.

*Some hardcore torrenter is shaking their head and smiling right now.