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mixdup

join:2003-06-28
Birmingham, AL
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·Charter

eh

Did it come out of your allocated bandwidth? If not, then what is the big deal? If it is completely separate from your provisioned data cap and available bandwidth, then it's all on Comcast. You don't own the airwaves in the 2.4Ghz and 5Ghz range in your house.

MikeRich88

join:2003-05-04
Houston, TX

3 recommendations

But are the connected users on their own IP, or shared with yours? They could download kiddy porn or something, and you would go to jail.

Skippy25

join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO

1 edit

1 recommendation

reply to mixdup


Every device that is on wireless degrades the performance of wireless for all devices connected.

Every device that is connected to your router uses your total bandwidth available thus lessening the bandwidth for all to use. This is regardless of cap usage.


mixdup

join:2003-06-28
Birmingham, AL
Reviews:
·Charter

1 edit
said by MikeRich88:

But are the connected users on their own IP, or shared with yours? They could download kiddy porn or something, and you would go to jail.

The previous article stated that the network is segregated from your home network (so, at the very least it's on a separate private IP subnet) and the "visiting" user must authenticate with their Comcast credentials

said by Skippy25:

Every device that is on wireless degrades the performance of wireless for all devices connected.

Every device that is connected to your router uses your total bandwidth available thus lessening the bandwidth for all to use. This is regardless of cap usage.

It's on a separate SSID, it's possible that there's two radios. Even if not, it's not costing you anything and you can turn it off. I think it should be fully disclosed to users but there's not a giant scandal here.


telcodad
Premium
join:2011-09-16
Lincroft, NJ
kudos:15
reply to Skippy25
said by Skippy25:

Every device that is on wireless degrades the performance of wireless for all devices connected.

From the XFINITY WiFi Home Hotspot FAQ:
quote:
Q: Will my Internet slow down when someone connects to my XFINITY WiFi network?

A:The broadband connection to your home will be unaffected by the XFINITY WiFi feature. Your in-home WiFi network, as well as XFINITY WiFi, use shared spectrum, and as with any shared medium there can be some impact as more devices share WiFi. We have provisioned the XFINITY WiFi feature to support robust usage, and therefore, we anticipate minimal impact to the in-home WiFi network.


newview
Ex .. Ex .. Exactly
Premium
join:2001-10-01
Parsonsburg, MD
kudos:1
Reviews:
·DIRECTV
·Comcast
reply to mixdup
said by mixdup:

I think it should be fully disclosed to users but there's not a giant scandal here.

The scandal in the making here is that it's turned on by default regardless if Comcast "informed" users with a 10-page 2pt text "Agreement" that seems to be the standard operating procedure nowadays.


mixdup

join:2003-06-28
Birmingham, AL
Reviews:
·Charter
said by newview:

The scandal in the making here is that it's turned on by default regardless if Comcast "informed" users with a 10-page 2pt text "Agreement" that seems to be the standard operating procedure nowadays.

If it were coming out of your allotment of bandwidth, ok. But it doesn't. 99.99999% of users would never be affected even at the wireless level. Just turn it off.


newview
Ex .. Ex .. Exactly
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join:2001-10-01
Parsonsburg, MD
kudos:1
Reviews:
·DIRECTV
·Comcast
If you are not informed, significantly informed ... NOT signing a rambling agreement which nobody ever reads, then how do you KNOW to turn it off?

It should be disabled by default, and you have to actually "do something" yourself to enable it. It's called foreknowledge and Comcast has failed to provide it, to their benefit and NOT the consumer.

Crookshanks

join:2008-02-04
Binghamton, NY
reply to MikeRich88
You wouldn't go to jail, but your life would be rather "interesting" for awhile...


CosmicDebri
Still looking for intelligent life

join:2001-09-01
Port Saint Lucie, FL

1 recommendation

reply to telcodad
said by telcodad:

said by Skippy25:

Every device that is on wireless degrades the performance of wireless for all devices connected.

From the XFINITY WiFi Home Hotspot FAQ:
quote:
Q: Will my Internet slow down when someone connects to my XFINITY WiFi network?

A:The broadband connection to your home will be unaffected by the XFINITY WiFi feature. Your in-home WiFi network, as well as XFINITY WiFi, use shared spectrum, and as with any shared medium there can be some impact as more devices share WiFi. We have provisioned the XFINITY WiFi feature to support robust usage, and therefore, we anticipate minimal impact to the in-home WiFi network.

Re: BOLDED part: basically it means that since they 'anticipate minimal impact' it WILL affect it, and probably in a HUMONGOUS capacity......
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jmn1207
Premium
join:2000-07-19
Ashburn, VA
kudos:1
reply to mixdup
»www.comcast.com/wifi/faqs.htm?SC ··· ect=true


Will my Internet slow down when someone connects to my XFINITY WiFi network?

The broadband connection to your home will be unaffected by the XFINITY WiFi feature. Your in-home WiFi network, as well as XFINITY WiFi, use shared spectrum, and as with any shared medium there can be some impact as more devices share WiFi. We have provisioned the XFINITY WiFi feature to support robust usage, and therefore, we anticipate minimal impact to the in-home WiFi network.



Unaffected, yet there can be some impact? Just disable it. I have enough problems with my own dozen or more devices, I don't need to potentially add any more to the mix.

Edit: already beaten to the punch on this one.


Mr Guy

@charter.com
reply to Crookshanks
said by Crookshanks:

You wouldn't go to jail, but your life would be rather "interesting" for awhile...

You would at first before you were exonerated. Of course the damage is done then.

TBBroadband

join:2012-10-26
Fremont, OH
reply to newview
it's not the company's fault you didn't read the disclosure and agreement up front. It's the customer's fault. The same would apply to a credit card or loan- just because you didn't read the documents doesn't get you out of it.


Darknessfall
Premium
join:2012-08-17
kudos:7
reply to MikeRich88
It's a different IP.

meowmeow

join:2003-07-26
Helena, MT
reply to CosmicDebri
Humongous is not the same as minimal.


newview
Ex .. Ex .. Exactly
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join:2001-10-01
Parsonsburg, MD
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reply to TBBroadband
said by TBBroadband:

it's not the company's fault you didn't read the disclosure and agreement up front. It's the customer's fault. The same would apply to a credit card or loan- just because you didn't read the documents doesn't get you out of it.

A paper last year by researchers at Carnegie Mellon University estimated that it would take about 76 work days to read all the license agreements an average user comes across in a year. Such estimates don’t seem very far-fetched, considering the Apple iTunes agreement alone is about 50 pages long.

Expecting most users to read and understand the legalese in these agreements is tantamount to asking you to understand the physics of the creation of the universe.

It ain't gonna happen.

Terms-of-service agreements are rarely read, let alone understood
»www.theglobeandmail.com/technolo ··· 6837198/


KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
Premium
join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK
reply to mixdup
said by mixdup:

The previous article stated that the network is segregated from your home network (so, at the very least it's on a separate private IP subnet) and the "visiting" user must authenticate with their Comcast credentials

That way they can bill THEIR account of the bandwidth used
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CosmicDebri
Still looking for intelligent life

join:2001-09-01
Port Saint Lucie, FL
reply to meowmeow
said by meowmeow:

Humongous is not the same as minimal.

no, no it's not....... that's the point.......

I guess you haven't been around long enough to know that Big Business always means/does the opposite of what it says????
--
Follow Your Bliss -- Joseph Cambell
I reject your Reality and substitute my own! -- Adam Savage, Mythbuster


OSUGoose

join:2007-12-27
Columbus, OH
reply to MikeRich88
I'd hope Comcast would of considered that issue.


kkkkkkkkkkkk

@12.109.156.x
reply to mixdup
there's only so many channels in 2.4ghz, which is the most widely used. even if it is a completely separate network, that's 1 less channel available for you to use to keep your network working smoothly. it's a huge issue in apartment complexes, so i would be pretty steamed if everybody had comcast and everyone had the hotspot on taking up unnecessary channels, knocking me offline and keeping me range a whopping 15'.


jmn1207
Premium
join:2000-07-19
Ashburn, VA
kudos:1
We need to bring back lead paint.


Lone Wolf
Retired
Premium
join:2001-12-30
USA
kudos:1
reply to MikeRich88
This could really ruin your day.

»www.philly.com/philly/news/20140 ··· eat.html

"A Montgomery County man was charged Thursday with hacking into a neighboring family's wireless Internet to send a bomb threat to the Willow Grove Park Mall, which led to an FBI raid on the neighbors' home, federal prosecutors said."

Joe12345678

join:2003-07-22
Des Plaines, IL
reply to MikeRich88
what about hacking into the other systems in the home?

brad152

join:2006-07-27
Phoenix, AZ
Reviews:
·CenturyLink
reply to MikeRich88
No, the xfinitywifi makes it's own VPN back to comcast with the user's login.

Nothing is traceable back to the customer's unit at all.

This is not a big deal by any means, it's just someone decided to bring it up a year later. I honestly wish all ISP's would do something similar to this, as it would make it much easier if friends come over since there'd be no need to give out your WiFi password anymore.

aabaaf

join:2011-12-09
Wheaton, IL
reply to MikeRich88
I asked that question long ago, and it is totally separate. It is only using the device to emit the wi-fi, it has it's own bandwith, and COMCAST is able to track did it come from "their" network, or "mine".


dfc888
Premium
join:2003-07-22
San Bruno, CA
reply to MikeRich88
The hot spot has a separate modem. At least, that's how it is in my office's new Comcast Business set up.


not that bad

@comcast.net
reply to MikeRich88
It is their own IP and they must log in with their own Comcast or other Cable Wifi enabled account. If they watch kiddy porn it is definitely on their own dime. I would say that it's not that bad as it's like having two connections in your home. I like to put my Apple TV on the Xfinity Wifi account so any downloading or gaming I do doesn't interfere with the wife's watching. Her iPad's on their too. Plus any one who visits and has their own Comcast account can just log in and not take up my bandwidth. Yes, in the end it is all going through one router but they are separately provisioned. I've had friends over streaming Netflix on their laptops while my connection consistently speedtests at a rock solid 56 down and they don't seem to be affecting it in any way.

uteck

join:2009-12-30
reply to MikeRich88
Even if it is a seperate IP, it is more radio interferance that can affect your useage expecaly if it is using the same channel.
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mixdup

join:2003-06-28
Birmingham, AL
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But, in terms of radio spectrum, they could put a hotspot out at the tap (devices which exist) and accomplish the same thing.

I still don't know what the big deal is. Other articles and communications from Comcast confirm that this does not eat into your bandwidth or usage caps and also is authenticated and a separate subnet from your home network.


concerned1

@comcast.net
reply to MikeRich88
As someone not that technically proficient...How can I tell if I am broadcasting the free wifi signal? I have the ubee docis 3.0 voip modem that is not also a router so I'm assuming I'm safe, correct?

This is craziness and should not be enabled by default, or at all for that matter...there's just way to many security concerns to take into account. Comcast should just keep expanding their hotspot coverage and leave people's individual connections alone