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robbin
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Re: [Electrical] Bathroom switch.

Pics please


robbin
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said by robbin:

Pics please

Of the switch you are taking out and clear shots of all of the wires connected to it.

joewho
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switch is in the foreground, 2 black on one side and 2 green going to one terminal on the other. There are no other terminals on the switch. GFI is in the background. Black and white wires from basement go to the gfi. Then a black wire goes from gfi to switch and the white wire goes from gfi into the wall, to the fixtures I suppose. The other black wire goes from the switch to the fixtures too.The ground looks like bare aluminum, spliced.

the ground is spliced into copper which runs to the switch and another copper jumper goes from the switch to the gfi, which doesn't seem right.
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robbin
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You only have one lighting circuit in that box. The only way to switch the lights separately is to pull a new wire to whichever light does not have the light wire going directly to it.


joewho
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I get the gist of it, but if the hot wire goes into the gfi and then out to the switch, how would I get two hot wires into the gfi? And what is a traveler?



nunya
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The little aluminum bonding wires you are referring to as "ground" are actually bonding strips for the AC cable. They should have been cut off or terminated to the box when originally installed. They are only there to ensure a continuous path along the sheath of the AC cable.

Your devices should be grounded via pigtail to the box (or by using self grounding devices).

Long story short - your new switch isn't going to work. You need new wiring in order to accomplish what you want.
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joewho
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thanks nunya. That's dissapointing news. I'm willing to do it. But shouldn't both new switches run through the gfi? I just found the black and decker wiriing guide. But it doesn't address my situation. Also, the bonding strip did go to a pigtail that attaches to the box, they just have another copper wire pigtailed in with it that grounds the gfi and switch.
Not complaining about the ground, just letting you know that it is safely grounded and I understand that I don't need the bonding strip grounded to the box.


robbin
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said by joewho:

I get the gist of it, but if the hot wire goes into the gfi and then out to the switch, how would I get two hot wires into the gfi? And what is a traveler?

You only need one hot wire going into the GFCI. Then you pigtail two coming off of it to the two light circuits. A traveler is the extra wire or wires needed in 3 way and 4 way switch setups (more than one switch on one light circuit) going from switch to switch.

joewho
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Could I run a traveler to a fixture, using your method and leave the tab in on the 3 way switch?



nunya
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Traveler has nothing to do with your setup. Forget it was ever mentioned. You are starting to confuse terminology. You do not need a 3-way switch.
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joewho
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2 edits

Heavily edited. I guess I have 3way confused with dual rocker. Been in the attic, found the juncion box and it's all 2 wire. Is it possible to run a seperate wires from the junction to the gang box in the b'room, or are we talking new wire from the panel?

At any rate, nec doesn't usually require lighting to run through a gfi, does it?



cybersaga

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You don't need another wire from the panel.

This might help: »waterheatertimer.org/images/Doub···-600.jpg

The page it's from has some good reads too (didn't read it all): »waterheatertimer.org/How-to-wire···hes.html. The picture is from where it says "Connect switch to GFCI".


joewho
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Saw that, then saw this: »www.doityourself.com/forum/elect···s.html#b, lol. I'm being forced to learn more about this quickly, and I'm glad the people here make it so. Basically, I can run another wire from the junction box in the attic from either fixture and make this all happen.



cybersaga

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said by joewho:

I can run another wire from the junction box in the attic from either fixture

End state, you need a dedicated run from each switch to each fixture it's controlling.

So you need two runs: from the switches to each of the fixtures.