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Seriously?This is getting a bit silly. How many locations? How many 1G Google customers after 4 years of rollout? Impress us with a real business plan vs press releases.
Technically 10G has been available for many, many years over fiber for businesses. No reason you can't do the same thing for residential.
FWIW, 100G is also available and people have been testing 1Tbps in production. |
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If they are doing 10Gb at the user end then they must be involved with working on a GPON with even higher capacity. The short term benefit may be additional capacity for every neighborhood even if end users are below 1Gbit. The long term benefit could mean allow running home biz web servers from home. |
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said by FactChecker:This is getting a bit silly. How many locations? How many 1G Google customers after 4 years of rollout? Impress us with a real business plan vs press releases.
Technically 10G has been available for many, many years over fiber for businesses. No reason you can't do the same thing for residential.
FWIW, 100G is also available and people have been testing 1Tbps in production. If you really want to get that technical, 1Tbps is old news. The Emerald Express has been in production use for I'm pretty sure a few years now and it is a 40TB link that runs from NY to Ireland. No, I'd say it is new for consumer grade internet connections to reach 10gb if they indeed do. |
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40TB over a large fiber bundle. They can't shove that much through a single fiber.. yet. |
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silbaco
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They are not using GPON. They seem to be using some form of Active Ethernet. |
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Yes they can, quite easily in fact using wavelength-division multiplexing. |
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I've heard some form of AE/WDM-GPON hybrid. Edit: » static.googleusercontent ··· 6936.pdf |
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2014-Feb-13 7:29 pm
That is interesting. I had not read that pdf before.
I highly doubt they are trying that in Provo but it will be interesting to see how Kansas City progresses if they truly opted for that technology. |
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Don't tell that to Level 3 !!! The might be scared...
40 TB is common for newer large capacity undersea circuits. |
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Actually it wasn't even announced who would get GF until July of 2012 and last year before they started installing, so it's been nowhere near "4 years of rollout". |
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if you knew anything about FTTH or GPON you'd realize that 10Gbps is basically impossible for anyone right now and that they'd need to do a LOT of upgrades for anything close to that kind of speed |
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Based on equipment orders in KC, it appears to be a hybrid. |
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Emerald is not over a single cable. |
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Google isn't in the ISP business. Google Fiber will be spun off to another company as soon as they are done "playing" with it. |
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Testing 1Tbps in production. If it's production, is it still testing? |
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It's clearly research but they are pressing others to do more in the end. Other Gbit providers dropped below $100, probably wouldn't have happened w/out Google setting a lower price.
They'll probably keep their hands in the ISP world as long as they think they can influence it because their biz is at the mercy of the ISPs for the most part. |
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Research can go on for 50-100 years. It doesn't have to end. |
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And Google's desire to influence ISPs will probably never end. Google Fiber and the research behind it may become even more important for them, not less. |
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No it isn't. XGPON: » en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XGPON10GEPON: » en.wikipedia.org/wiki/10G-EPONBoth are commercially available in limited quantities (FPGA-based hardware) with ASICs available soon. |
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The difference is that 1gb over fiber is about $100 for both end points and 10gb costs about $5k for both ends. You can get 10gb fiber equipment for cheaper than that, but not for the ranges you need in the field. 10gb hardware in for shorter 100m datacenter runs are much cheaper. |
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Sounds like vaporware. 95% of America will probably never see these connection speeds ever. How continue to enjoy my 3 Mb DSL connection until DSL becomes obsolete. Then back to dial-up. |
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Seen all of this already in production. 400 gig is being tested right now in production, problem is acceptance testing needs to be tighter than it was in the past for gig and ten gig circuits.. |
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said by FactChecker:Technically 10G has been available for many, many years over fiber for businesses. No reason you can't do the same thing for residential. Very different technologies. Business services today is primarily served with Active Ethernet while residential applications generally use xPON 10G is just becoming commercially available for GPON and EPON so it makes sense that carriers would be looking to begin utilizing it in their networks. |
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said by Rakeesh:No, I'd say it is new for consumer grade internet connections to reach 10gb if they indeed do. That's a big "if". I doubt if TWC, Comcast or anyone else feels threatened by a press release. Google's three demo projects have resulted in how many paying customers? Whatever the number, it's very small and again, not likely to threaten, let alone scare, the likes of Comcast, AT&T, etc. |
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That's probably not Google's intent. Google likely wants to have influence on iSPs rather than compete. They want to have working case studies out there that the unlimited model can work, that building capacity above demand can work, that the technologies they pursue can be used by any ISP.
Not only does Google biz model depend on ISPs, the future of communication for everyone does and if ISPs push for limits and not keep networks ahead of demand, Google will have case studies to show it can be done and use it to pressure ISPs (and Fed regulation) if they refuse to. |
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2014-Feb-17 6:27 pm
said by existenz:That's probably not Google's intent. Google likely wants to have influence on iSPs rather than compete. They want to have working case studies out there that the unlimited model can work, that building capacity above demand can work, that the technologies they pursue can be used by any ISP. That's all well and good for google, but just because they can show a profit on three demo projects is no reason for other ISPs to adopt their business model. The only way that's gonna happen is for google to hurt their bottom line, and these three projects aren't gonna do that. |
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said by existenz:Not only does Google biz model depend on ISPs, the future of communication for everyone does and if ISPs push for limits and not keep networks ahead of demand, Google will have case studies to show it can be done and use it to pressure ISPs (and Fed regulation) if they refuse to. The FCC has never regulated retail ISP prices and I don't see that happening now. |
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said by rradina:Testing 1Tbps in production. If it's production, is it still testing? 1Tbps in the backbone is a whole different kettle of fish than 1Tbps in the distribution ("last mile") network. It's like the difference between a LD network and a local network. There is no comparison. |
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