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TheMayor

join:2002-05-09

[XPHome] So who's going to be the first to sue MS for not supporting XP

So I've been reading responses on news articles about XP support ending in a couple of months. They have ranged from "We use software at my company that can't be used on another OS" to "They just want me to buy Windows 8"

So while I understand the company issue, unless the software mfg. did have an update, but you were too cheap to purchase it & can no longer purchase it.

However the ones I want to address is the "They just want me to buy Windows 8/I'm not upgrading because XP still works". Since support is ending in a couple of months, are you really expecting your Anti Virus is going to catch every single exploit that gets released after XP support ends?

I know some responses will be "I only go to "good" sites. Remember, what makes a good site today, doesn't mean it will be a good site tomorrow.

Since MS is ending XP support, how long before your Anti Virus company besides they are no longer going to support XP.

So since I'm pretty certain people are still going to use XP (besides companies that are stuck because of certain software they run), I'm curious to know who will be the first person who will try to sue MS because they got hit with an exploit.

Last, to people who won't be upgrading because either "They just want you to upgrade Win 8" or "If it's not broke, don't fix", I'm curious on how many other items you replaced that didn't need to be replaced (for example you had a 40" TV that works perfectly fine, but you decide that you need a 60")



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OverBurn

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I don't know if anyone will sue, hope they do though, just to cause MS grief.

Why not keep updating XP if people and businesses want to use it? Makes no sense to me. People would still buy XP on computers and XP OS if they were available.

In case you are wondering I use Win7 more than anything, but still really like XP. Hate 8.


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said by jadinolf:

I'm looking for Johnny Cochran's number right now...........oops......

If Cochran were still here I could just hear him saying: If it doesn't update, you must litigate.

I suppose if someone wants to sue, they're welcome to try to make their case. I'm sure MS realizes that an exploited XP machine doesn't just hurt XP machines if it starts phoning back out over the internet.

I've got one XP machine that I'm keeping around just for a slide/film scanner that doesn't have drivers for the newer platforms (sure there are hacks to make the drivers load on Windows 7, but I'm not a fan of hacks). But once support drops, that XP machine is being taken "off the grid".

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How many successful lawsuits were there for end-of-support on Windows 2000? NT 4.0?

IANAL, but I see no grounds for a suit when you know at the time of purchase that one day there will be no more updates.

More to the point, I think I've never met a software product where suppose for version N doesn't eventually cease after versions N+1, N+2, and N+3 are already on the market.



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Hmm. I'm trying to picture somebody successfully suing an auto manufacturer for failing to support fixes for "defects" in a 12-year-old car model... and somehow I just can't. Same thing for a TV set... and a blender... and a computer... and a cell phone... and a lawn mower...
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If they try - the court should bounce the case and then fine the people that brought on the suit for a wasting courts time.
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BlitzenZeus
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Oh stop crying like a little girl with a skinned knee. Win 7 came out four years ago, and how long can you actually expect somebody to support an os for a one time payment? Original xp systems sold with single core processors, and less than 1GB of ram so stop complaining. The last os that will support those systems is Win 7, and that would still require the installation of more memory at a minimum.

Crying for only getting 10+ years of support for a small one time payment? Don't you have a welfare line to stand in?

You're lucky if you get more than a one year warranty on most devices, and the max for some these days is 3-5 years, usually three max.
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Msradell
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said by OverBurn:

Why not keep updating XP if people and businesses want to use it?

How about because you're no longer making any money on it? Updates are free and if the product is no longer for sale you're not making any money off the product. The only option would be to start charging for updates and I'm sure they would be a major uprising if that was to occur.


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Anyone thinking of suing would be hard pressed to justify their case. MS has a published product life cycle, and users have limited rights under the product license.

Not that there isn't a scumbag lawyer out there that wouldn't try...

Besides, any government or large business customer that absolutely must continue using XP can purchase extended support.


TheMayor

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I hope your not telling me to stop crying. I stopped using XP shortly after Win 7 came out & took advantage of Win 8 for $40.

No I don't expect any company to continue to support anything for a one time fee.


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Their history of supporting an os for 10 years on the average is better than the norm of the industry too, and extending xp three years was for businesses, not consumers. I had already planned on replacing my retail xp pro on the original eol.

There's a reason Microsoft would like an annual support model, but their extended support is relatively the same. It's like paying a company for a service contract to maintain custom software. It's unheard of that you just pay the developer once, and getting years of free support.
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I see many mentioning the common excuse of companies not wanting to upgrade their software to versions that will run on vista/7/8 but there is a whole other aspect everyone is overlooking.

What if the hardware won't run Windows post XP? That would cost companies way too much money to have to upgrade hardware.

Looks like many might have to look to Windows Thin PC

On February 9, 2011, Microsoft announced Windows Thin PC, a branded derivative of Windows Embedded Standard 7 with Service Pack 1, designed as a lightweight version of Windows 7 for installation on low performance PCs as an alternative to using a dedicated thin client device. It succeeded Windows Fundamentals for Legacy PCs, which was based on Windows XP Embedded. Windows Thin PC was released on June 6, 2011.

Problem is then companies would still have to invest in a RDC server. The only equivalent solution would be Windows Fundamentals, they need to bring it back.
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What if the hardware won't run Windows post XP?

It's kind of poor planning on their part if they expect a simple consumer-grade PC to remain viable for over a decade. Did no-one point out that you probably ought to plan on a 3-to-4 year hardware lifecycle?

I bet their hardware vendor is no longer providing support. But somehow the software vendor has to?

But in any case, they can keep on running the software they've already bought. It's not as if suddenly XP will decompose overnight. Stick in a firewall appliance to keep the outside world at bay, tell the employees to quit watching porn at work, and you're all set.


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said by dave:

What if the hardware won't run Windows post XP?

It's kind of poor planning on their part if they expect a simple consumer-grade PC to remain viable for over a decade. Did no-one point out that you probably ought to plan on a 3-to-4 year hardware lifecycle?

I bet their hardware vendor is no longer providing support. But somehow the software vendor has to?

But in any case, they can keep on running the software they've already bought. It's not as if suddenly XP will decompose overnight. Stick in a firewall appliance to keep the outside world at bay, tell the employees to quit watching porn at work, and you're all set.

There are companies still running POS system's from the late 80's and early 90's, lucky for them those are not running Windows. But there are some companies with POS running on Windows from the late 90's that should not have to be forced to upgrade their hardware.
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Is this a serious question?



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said by TheTechGuru:

I see many mentioning the common excuse of companies not wanting to upgrade their software to versions that will run on vista/7/8 but there is a whole other aspect everyone is overlooking.

What if the hardware won't run Windows post XP? That would cost companies way too much money to have to upgrade hardware.

If the company is small enough, then there's not that much new hardware that will have to be bought. If the company is large, then perhaps its CEO should take a cut in pay to fund the purchase, or perhaps pay less to their shareholders.

If a company wants to continue to use antiquated software after its support ends, then perhaps that company deserves to fall by the wayside if they can't keep pace and keep current with the technology they obviously need to operate their company in a responsible, secure fashion.
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Wily_One
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The hardware refresh cycle is typically 3-4 years, plus desktops and even laptops are cheap nowadays.



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Sounds like slavery to me. You make something and sell it and for eternity you are required to keep it safe.


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To me it's the thinking people had before computers, their tv, vcr, dvd, etc... just worked, but they knew that their computer was capable of more than just doing a couple tasks. It could be used for a wide variety of things.

I think a 8 year cycle could be acceptable for businesses with Microsoft releases if bought at the right time, and then the ten year cycle gives them time to vet hardware and software changes. Hell my personal cycle for gaming computers was five years, and I might only need to replace the gaming card if I recycled it from my previous build during that time, after that it's still more than enough to be used for general purposes.

With the slower development of Intel processors, and lack of competition with AMD my current gaming computer might last me near a decade unless some big breakthrough happens at this point, however I might have to change the os in that period of time on this new timetable now.
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Buy a new computer in 2003, buy a discounted Office, Photoshop and a free antivirus program and run it for 10 or 12 years.

Get a $400 new computer in 2014 or 2013 with Windows 7 for $350 and reinstall Office, Photoshop and the free anti virus program.
I am not supporting or suing anyone and this "have to have the the latest or the best" is ridiculous.


Frodo

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Seems to me, the solution is simple. Just sign up for extended support.

quote:

Fees for this special protection start at $200 per desktop for the first year, going up to $400 in the second and $800 in the third year.


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Why are these POS systems on the internet and not behind a decent firewall?

If they're not exposed on the internet, why are they 'forced' to upgrade?

By the way, if they're running 'Windows from the late 90s', that has nothing to do with XP. In fact, if they're running a version of Windows that's that old, it supports my contention that there's no problem running unsupported versions of the OS in protected environments.



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quote:
But there are some companies with POS running on Windows from the late 90's that should not have to be forced to upgrade their hardware.
This is got to be a joke - they have to upgrade eventually else we would still be on Pentium 75's - it is a COST of doing business. If they can't look ahead and plan ahead - then maybe they should not be running a business.
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Sell them linux.


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Well, I did go to a restaurant yesterday that had a 'cash register' with a character-cell terminal from the 1980s; it looked like a VT220 knock-off (entirely suitable, since it's just down the street from a former DEC building).

But it's doing the job just fine; no-one's freaking out that the sky is falling because his cash register is no longer supported. It may have a dial-out connection for credit card authorization, but AFAIK it's not on the internet.

And that's the real point here: there may be old legacy systems that do their job well and don't need updating, because they're not general-purpose computer systems.

What gets brought up time and time again here is a semi-mythical business computer that cannot be replaced but is nevertheless exposed to the entire internet of threats. I don't really believe in it.

(Oh, and apparently these businesses are using XP Home, since that's the subject of this thread).



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said by dave:

tell the employees to quit watching porn at work, and you're all set.


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OldCableGuy2

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Is this a troll?

So why is it Microsoft's obligation to support POS registers built on XP?

If the shop owner wants to continue to use the device, they can disconnect it from the network and use it in stand alone. Nuff said.



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Not sue MS, but the company that still uses XP for their clients. It would not be fair to me, or anyone else to have their personal, or financial information on XP after support ends. There needs to be consumer protections put in place, so that a company can be civilly liable if your information is hacked due to them using an obsolete OS. Simply put if you're operating a business, you should be obligated to use secure platforms when dealing with paying customers and if you fail to do so then you should be liable for any damages.