funchordsHello MVM join:2001-03-11 Yarmouth Port, MA
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Gotta make nice while Comcast is trying to buy Time Warner CableComcast can't afford a black eye right now, and the Netflix bandwidth problem that was escalating was giving them one.
I think this will turn out to be a win-win. Comcast might not like to have to swallow this deal, but it will make their customers happy long term. This makes Netflix subscribers sure to be Comcast subscribers in areas where DSL is the only other option. |
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Why wouldn't Comcast love this? They're getting revenue they weren't getting before and it should take a load off both their peering connections with Cogent, et. al. as well as the incessant whining from customers. And Netflix is pretty much cost-neutral as well since those external peering routes weren't free. |
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newviewEx .. Ex .. Exactly Premium Member join:2001-10-01 Parsonsburg, MD |
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said by funchords:Comcast can't afford a black eye right now, and the Netflix bandwidth problem that was escalating was giving them one. Bingo The Comcast Mafia blinked ... |
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jlivingood Premium Member join:2007-10-28 Philadelphia, PA
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said by funchords:I think this will turn out to be a win-win. Comcast might not like to have to swallow this deal, but it will make their customers happy long term. Me too, and happy customers are obviously a good thing. In this case, customers want awesome Netflix performance and this helps Comcast and Netflix deliver just that. |
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LOL. OK, I am sure the Comcast Mafia is just fine blinking all the way to the bank. |
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Does this deal involve Comcast hosting Netflix Open Connect CDN hardware? |
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newviewEx .. Ex .. Exactly Premium Member join:2001-10-01 Parsonsburg, MD |
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Yep Crime DOES pay ... |
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How is this criminal?
You guys are a hoot. |
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said by jlivingood:said by funchords:I think this will turn out to be a win-win. Comcast might not like to have to swallow this deal, but it will make their customers happy long term. Me too, and happy customers are obviously a good thing. In this case, customers want awesome Netflix performance and this helps Comcast and Netflix deliver just that. Utter bullshit. The customers will be happy until Netflix passes theses costs on to their entire customer base while at the same time these customers will still be getting rates increased by their provider every single year. |
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jlivingood Premium Member join:2007-10-28 Philadelphia, PA |
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said by Karl Bode:Does this deal involve Comcast hosting Netflix Open Connect CDN hardware? It is interconnect. |
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AVonGauss Premium Member join:2007-11-01 Boynton Beach, FL
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said by onthecake:Utter bullshit. The customers will be happy until Netflix passes theses costs on to their entire customer base while at the same time these customers will still be getting rates increased by their provider every single year. I really doubt Level 3, Cogent provide transit and CDN services for free... |
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Forget it, he's rolling |
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Anon
2014-Feb-23 3:57 pm
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said by RadioDoc:How is this criminal?
You guys are a hoot. I pity the crazies that post here. |
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said by connections :said by RadioDoc:How is this criminal?
You guys are a hoot. I pity the crazies that post here. Self pity is self-defeating. Seek assistance. |
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2014-Feb-23 4:01 pm
said by RadioDoc:Self pity is self-defeating. Seek assistance. You're the one that needs to seek assistance. |
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2014-Feb-23 4:01 pm
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said by RadioDoc:Forget it, he's rolling and so are you. |
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OK, one more and I'll let you revel in your superior wit.
This is and was an ongoing business negotiation no less than what your local grocer negotiates to have milk delivered every day. If you think that is some kind of Mafia extortion, I really don't want to live in your world. |
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Your assuming the local dsl provider don't already have this deal. |
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Exactly this just took a middleman out of the routing, vs Netflix dumping on to Cogent and Comcast user relying on the innerconnect between Comcast and Cogent to not bog down. Now Netflix is dumping directly onto comcasts backbone when its a Comcast user requesting the connection. |
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No costs to pass vs it going and paying for it on Cogent its now transiting on Comcast directly. |
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So that is a no !
Please feel free to answer the question instead of going around it.
A better answer would have been, No this deal does not involve a CDN Rack or any CDN gear, it is an interconnect deal.
Then in the sb panel for it you could have said that Comcast had no interest in hosting any netflix CDN gear and the interconnect made better financial sense for comcast. |
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2014-Feb-23 5:34 pm
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said by OSUGoose:Your assuming the local dsl provider don't already have this deal. My ISP is happy to host Netflix's OpenConnect appliance and other local ISPs where possible do interconnect with Netflix without double dipping special deals. They're not THAT greedy assholes. |
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funchordsHello MVM join:2001-03-11 Yarmouth Port, MA |
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It is possible that Netflix is simply paying Comcast what it used to pay Cogent to reach Comcast. In other words, there may not be added transit costs. (I'm guessing that we're not going to see the math.)
As far as rates go -- there is no reason to believe that Comcast will quit raising rates or that Netflix streaming will remain ~$8 a month, with or without this deal. |
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said by funchords:Comcast can't afford a black eye right now, and the Netflix bandwidth problem that was escalating was giving them one. It's an interesting supposition that I imagine we'll never really know the truth about. It could be a conspiracy theory ("Hey -- the timing of the CAN'T be a coincidence! There must be cause and effect!"), and the fact that the only source for this is the media making commentary tends to bear that out. So maybe it's really just be a coincidence -- they may have been working on this Netflix deal at the same time the M&A work was going on, but unrelated. In a company the size of Comcast, an M&A like TWC would be closely held to a small group, and would not normally be known to others working on other deals. Or, at the CEO's office level, maybe they finally approved the Netflix deal because they didn't want this problem hanging around while they were getting their TWC ducks in a row. |
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said by funchords:Comcast can't afford a black eye right now... I agree. Comcast is asking the regulators to buy off on the fact that controlling 30% of the TV households, and close to half the wired cable households will not be a problem for competition. They need all kinds of evidence that they are willing to keep the markets open. It is similar to the airlines saying that they won't abandon any hubs after they merge (for the forseeable future). |
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said by RadioDoc:This is and was an ongoing business negotiation no less than what your local grocer negotiates to have milk delivered every day. If you think that is some kind of Mafia extortion, I really don't want to live in your world. In fact, the analogy is even closer than that. Supermarkets also charge both sides of the market. Not only does the consumer pay the supermarket for food, but the supermarket also charges the producer for the shelf space. |
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said by tanzam75:Supermarkets also charge both sides of the market. Not only does the consumer pay the supermarket for food, but the supermarket also charges the producer for the shelf space. People not directly involved in the business have a little trouble guessing how it is done. For instance I understand that up until about 1998 networks paid their affiliate stations to carry their programming, thinking that it was a way to sell a larger audience to advertisers. Now, I believe it is the other way around, affiliates pay for programming. I don't know how the advertising money is split. I assume that some advertising time is reserved for local stations. |
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After reading additional articles on this it appears you guys did enter into the CDN agreement by peering at their server locations, but are not calling it that for some reason. Therefore I strike my previous comment. |
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said by funchords: think this will turn out to be a win-win. Comcast might not like to have to swallow this deal, but it will make their customers happy long term. This makes Netflix subscribers sure to be Comcast subscribers in areas where DSL is the only other option. How so? I am a DSL subscriber in a Comcast market; and see no incentive to switch to Comcast. Tracing route to ipv4_1.lagg0.c005.sjc002.ix.nflxvideo.net [198.45.62.134]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms Chihiro [192.168.102.1]
2 32 ms 37 ms 34 ms 173-228-7-1.dsl.static.sonic.net [173.228.7.1]
3 30 ms 30 ms 30 ms gig1-4.cr1.lsatca11.sonic.net [70.36.243.13]
4 51 ms 31 ms 30 ms 0.xe-5-1-0.gw.pao1.sonic.net [69.12.211.1]
5 58 ms 62 ms 62 ms ae2.0.gw.equinix-sj.sonic.net [50.0.2.14]
6 31 ms 31 ms 31 ms netflix-peering.sonic.net [209.148.113.10]
7 63 ms 62 ms 62 ms ipv4_1.lagg0.c005.sjc002.ix.nflxvideo.net [198.45.62.134]
Trace complete.
I reliably get a 5800 kb/s bit rate to Netflix. |
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Lucky Sonic Dog! |
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