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battleop

join:2005-09-28
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reply to Killa200

Re: Do you need an AS number for BGP ..

ARIN is run by a bunch of fucking morons. We're in the IPV4 crap we are in today because of them and their counterparts.

We had a DS3 over a OC48 SONET and were using 13 /24s. I had an immediate need for few more /24s that we would have filled in 3 months. Our upstream wouldn't give us any more space. They refused to let us get a /20 under the single homed policy because we couldn't show we were using enough of a /20. We were stuck in a chicken or the egg problem.

Their solution was for us to get more /24s assign them and then we could turn out and get the /20 and renumber our network which means twice the work on the temporary /24s.

The other option was to buy a T1 from another provider and intend to multy home. So we had to order at T1 to multihome with an DS3. What a complete waste of money. I got my AS and /20 and pushed the order for the T1 out 6 months and then canceled the order on the T1.
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catchingup

@135.23.225.x
said by battleop:

ARIN is run by a bunch of fucking morons. We're in the IPV4 crap we are in today because of them and their counterparts.

We're in the "IPv4 crap we are in today" because v4 is not an unlimited resource.


TomS_
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join:2002-07-19
London, UK
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We wouldnt be in the crap we are today if people were more interested in rolling out IPv6 instead of trying to prolong their IPv4 networks. IPv4 has a limited future.

Google sees about 3% of its query traffic from IPv6 now, and thats not a small amount...

The amount of addresses you will get from even a minimal IPv6 allocation would make your eyes water at the vastness.


TomS_
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Sorry, that should have been a reply to battleop See Profile.


catchingup

@135.23.225.x
reply to TomS_
said by TomS_:

We wouldnt be in the crap we are today if people were more interested in rolling out IPv6 instead of trying to prolong their IPv4 networks. IPv4 has a limited future.

Don't you know 18 layers of duct tape is supposed to last us another 50 years.. oh wait that's only for consumer Internet connections and not taking into consideration all the other devices connected too. Still completely idiotic. I didn't touch upon what you had said but that is the other issue.

JoelC707
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join:2002-07-09
Lanett, AL
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reply to battleop
said by battleop:

We had a DS3 over a OC48 SONET and were using 13 /24s. I had an immediate need for few more /24s that we would have filled in 3 months. Our upstream wouldn't give us any more space. They refused to let us get a /20 under the single homed policy because we couldn't show we were using enough of a /20.

Out of curiosity, just how much is "enough" to justify a /20 in their eyes? I understand with IPv4 being scarce they are really wanting maximum utilization but you were using a good chunk of a /20 already.

With your existing 13x /24's at say 254 usable addresses each (assuming each is a separate block with individual subnet and broadcast addresses), that's 3302 addresses at your disposal. That's a little over 80% utilization already.

Throw just three more /24's and you're now up to 4064. What more did they want, 100% utilization of a /20 before they will give it to you? Just curious, but have you expanded beyond the /20 space you have now?