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SparkChaser
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Some places are not meant for CFL

So, my 5th or 6th visit to Colonial Williamsburg and I saw this .

Lights is light, I guess.


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I assume the spiral shape and the shield that goes over the bulb makes it look tacky..

I wonder how the Cree A19 bulbs would be?


Jack_in_VA
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reply to SparkChaser
It's purpose is to provide light. Not look pretty to everyone. I have no problem with it.
CW cannot afford to spend the high prices of the LED's. A lot of people and organizations don't have the disposable income to indulge in LED's.

CW is in a state of declining tourism. They even cancelled the Shuttle Buses between Williamsburg, Jamestown and Yorktown to save money.


Lurch77
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said by Jack_in_VA:

It's purpose is to provide light. Not look pretty to everyone.

I'm sitting here looking at that fixture, its shape, it design, and you're going to try and tell me it's not made to be aesthetic? The light source looks out of place in that fixture. Enough to bother me a great deal? No. But it looks wrong.


BillRoland
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reply to SparkChaser
Rumor has it Clark Griswold is taking his family to Wally World instead of Colonial Williamsburg because of this.


Jack_in_VA
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reply to Lurch77
said by Lurch77:

said by Jack_in_VA:

It's purpose is to provide light. Not look pretty to everyone.

I'm sitting here looking at that fixture, its shape, it design, and you're going to try and tell me it's not made to be aesthetic? The light source looks out of place in that fixture. Enough to bother me a great deal? No. But it looks wrong.

That's because we are used to seeing the old design incandescent bulbs most of us grew up with. The CFL's are saving CW money so the intent is being achieved


nunya
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reply to SparkChaser
That looks like crap.


shdesigns
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reply to SparkChaser
I was at the Foxfire Museum and Heritage Center in N. GA.

In the old 1790s buildings were basic porcelain light sockets with spiral CFL bulbs. Just looked real out of place.


PSWired

join:2006-03-26
Annapolis, MD
reply to SparkChaser
Looks ugly to me.

That said, this sounds a lot like a conversation that would have been had when electric lights were first becoming popular...

LittleBill

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reply to Lurch77
said by Lurch77:

said by Jack_in_VA:

It's purpose is to provide light. Not look pretty to everyone.

I'm sitting here looking at that fixture, its shape, it design, and you're going to try and tell me it's not made to be aesthetic? The light source looks out of place in that fixture. Enough to bother me a great deal? No. But it looks wrong.

pretty much have to agree, the light is aesthetically pleasing, bulb looks like complete crap


Corehhi

join:2002-01-28
Bluffton, SC
reply to SparkChaser
Should be a Nat gas light. Personally I like that the best for looks.


Anonuser

join:2003-01-03
Milwaukee, WI

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reply to SparkChaser
I've been working on replacing much lighting with CFL's at a Historical Railroad in Wisconsin Dells, www.DellsTrain.com , while still keeping the old fixtures, I have heeb able to make most lights look fairly decent and fit in even using CFL's. They needed to cut expenses considerably due to the lower tourism due (economy = less tourists to pay the bills). So far, just in a single building, I calculated out we cut the daily electric usage cost from $35/day for lighting down to $1-$2. One solution I used, to "get rid" of the spiral shape on the CFL's in the enclosed Rail Platform's and other lamps like that was to wrap the CFL's with a Gel Paper (plastic sheets used in theater for the high powered lights, doesn't melt until HIGH temps). I used a very light yellow, so it will still cast that Tungsten-esk glow, and the gel paper for the most part hides the spiral look and unless your really looking for it, you dont notice that it's a CFL, just looks like a bulb in a fixture.

Realistically, the LED's don't offer much of a power savings over CFL's. Where the LED's save on is longevity. Currently, the cheapest normal price for a LED bulb is around $10 here, and I get 4xCFL's for $1 at Dollar Tree, and they have been lasting fairly long.
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reply to Corehhi
said by Corehhi:

Should be a Nat gas light. Personally I like that the best for looks.

We have towns in New Jersey that still have gas lights (in addition to modern electric streetlights).


battleop

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reply to SparkChaser
Yea, they probably should use a period correct lightbulb.


SparkChaser
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reply to Corehhi
said by Corehhi:

Should be a Nat gas light. Personally I like that the best for looks.

Actually, we had just come up from Charleston and saw some gas lamps there.


Jack_in_VA
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said by SparkChaser:

said by Corehhi:

Should be a Nat gas light. Personally I like that the best for looks.

Actually, we had just come up from Charleston and saw some gas lamps there.

Since your OP was about the CFL's in Colonial Williamsburg can you imagine the cost of installing gas lights in place of the electric lights there now?


SparkChaser
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reply to Anonuser
said by Anonuser:

I've been working on replacing much lighting with CFL's at a Historical Railroad in Wisconsin Dells, www.DellsTrain.com , while still keeping the old fixtures, I have heeb able to make most lights look fairly decent

Yep, there were some where you could see they did a decent job in hiding the CFL.


SparkChaser
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reply to Jack_in_VA
said by Jack_in_VA:

Since your OP was about the CFL's in Colonial Williamsburg can you imagine the cost of installing gas lights in place of the electric lights there now?

Yes, I can imagine and wasn't suggesting it and I thank you for the information on their financial problems which I did not know.

laserfan

join:2005-01-14
Texas
reply to LittleBill
said by LittleBill:

pretty much have to agree, the light is aesthetically pleasing, bulb looks like complete crap

Upon noticing at my friend's house one evening that he'd installed a lot of those spiral-wound CFL's around his (big fancy) house, I made some comment about how I'd never put them where they were fully exposed e.g. above the sink(s) in the Master Bath and he said "of course!" he put them in there as well. His wife hates them but whadderyougonnado some people are blind to that stuff. And I think they're too old to divorce over such a thing (though they have many other reasons to split)!



CW should install some of the CREEs instead--heck isn't CREE somewhere nearby? Good for business, good for energy, good for aesthetics.


Jack_in_VA
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reply to SparkChaser
said by SparkChaser:

said by Jack_in_VA:

Since your OP was about the CFL's in Colonial Williamsburg can you imagine the cost of installing gas lights in place of the electric lights there now?

Yes, I can imagine and wasn't suggesting it and I thank you for the information on their financial problems which I did not know.

I live about 40 miles from CW and their financial troubles are in the news. Hotels are taking a beating with very low occupancy rates. The two Jamestown attractions also are having lower attendance. I've always thought CW was making a mistake by continually raising their prices. I think maybe the tipping point has been reached.


InigoMontoya

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What were they thinking. Install one of these! LOL
»www.amazon.com/Bulbrite-134019-N ··· 01797M6S


Jack_in_VA
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said by InigoMontoya:

What were they thinking. Install one of these! LOL
»www.amazon.com/Bulbrite-134019-N ··· 01797M6S

It appears that CW intention was cutting their electric use not aesthetics.


InigoMontoya

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said by Jack_in_VA:

said by InigoMontoya:

What were they thinking. Install one of these! LOL
»www.amazon.com/Bulbrite-134019-N ··· 01797M6S

It appears that CW intention was cutting their electric use not aesthetics.

Yea that's exactly why they did it, why the OP made this post, and why I posted what I did how I did.

Liberty

join:2005-06-12
Tucson, AZ
reply to PSWired
[bquote
That said, this sounds a lot like a conversation that would have been had when electric lights were first becoming popular...

+1

rjgogo

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reply to battleop
said by battleop:

Yea, they probably should use a period correct lightbulb.

Um, that would be no light bulb, They did not have electricity in that period


Jack_in_VA
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Most likely they had some Whale Oil Lamps here and there. Actually Williamsburg was more or less abandoned after the capital was moved to Richmond. It wasn't until John D. Rockefeller provided the money to reconstruct the colonial capital to what we see today.


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reply to Boooost
said by Boooost :

said by Corehhi:

Should be a Nat gas light. Personally I like that the best for looks.

We have towns in New Jersey that still have gas lights (in addition to modern electric streetlights).where at?

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Corehhi

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reply to Jack_in_VA
said by Jack_in_VA:

said by SparkChaser:

said by Jack_in_VA:

I live about 40 miles from CW and their financial troubles are in the news. Hotels are taking a beating with very low occupancy rates. The two Jamestown attractions also are having lower attendance. I've always thought CW was making a mistake by continually raising their prices. I think maybe the tipping point has been reached.

I have small children and I can tell you over the last 10 years all these places went nuts price wise. Disney World??? Disney for a family is about the price of a good used car, if you go all out it's the price of a new cheap car.

When your business is mostly based on families there's only so much you can charge. Everything we do family wise is X 4. $5 extra a ticket plus an extra $2 a person per meal etc. etc. small increases across the board add up to a lot of money.


InigoMontoya

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said by Corehhi:

I have small children and I can tell you over the last 10 years all these places went nuts price wise. Disney World??? Disney for a family is about the price of a good used car, if you go all out it's the price of a new cheap car.

When your business is mostly based on families there's only so much you can charge. Everything we do family wise is X 4. $5 extra a ticket plus an extra $2 a person per meal etc. etc. small increases across the board add up to a lot of money.

Disney for the price of a 'good' used car? It's not really any more expensive then any other type of vacation for us. It seems to come up to about $1,000 per person per week we go on vacation.


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said by Corehhi:

Should be a Nat gas light. Personally I like that the best for looks.

Gas lights give off very little light and are very energy inefficient because they are on 24 hours per day!
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