DarkLogixTexan and Proud Premium Member join:2008-10-23 Baytown, TX |
Lawn mower engine questionI noticed while walking around at sears and lowes that there are multiple Briggs and Stratton lawn mowers with the same size engine but different HP numbers
so what's the diff? is it just a different carb? and if so is it possible to upgrade the carb and make it more powerful? |
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John97Over The Hills And Far Away Premium Member join:2000-11-14 Spring Hill, FL |
John97
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2014-May-12 7:10 pm
What exactly do you mean by the "same size engine" - are we talking physical size? |
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DarkLogixTexan and Proud Premium Member join:2008-10-23 Baytown, TX |
said by John97:What exactly do you mean by the "same size engine" - are we talking physical size? They're listed as the same size in CC |
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shdesignsPowered By Infinite Improbabilty Drive Premium Member join:2000-12-01 Stone Mountain, GA |
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Yes, the carb is one thing.
Other differences are side vs overhead valve, valve diameter and running RPM.
My old pressure washer had a real small engine but they ran it at 3800RPM. |
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A couple years ago, there were several class-action lawsuits brought against Briggs + Stratton regarding bullshit horsepower "ratings". As a result, nearly every manufacturer stopped putting HP numbers on their engines and instead uses an SAE standard torque measurement taken at the cutting blade.
To answer your question, the torque measurement for the same displacement engine may vary depending on mower features: for example, if the mower is self-propelled, or perhaps is equipped with a dynamo for charging a starter battery. Not only will these features alter the available output torque themselves, but the toque will very likely be different even when they're not in use because the carb has been tuned to accommodate the additional loads. |
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DarkLogixTexan and Proud Premium Member join:2008-10-23 Baytown, TX |
DarkLogix
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2014-May-12 10:03 pm
Well any idea if its possible to make a 6.75 engine that's not self propelled output more?
I noticed that some of the same size (in CC) varied from 6.50 to 7.75 while not being OHV, though some were self propelled I'm just interested in if its possible to change a few parts and get higher output from what I have (which is a 6.75 push mower that's is not self propelled) |
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cowboyro
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2014-May-12 11:05 pm
Why in the world would you want that? Self-propelled is so much easier to use and if you really NEED that extra power then you should mow more often to start with. Or get a tractor... |
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You could probably change the carb out, run a straight pipe instead of a muffler and get a K+N air filter to up the air flow.
Port and polish. Many things you could do but really??? |
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DarkLogixTexan and Proud Premium Member join:2008-10-23 Baytown, TX |
DarkLogix
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2014-May-12 11:32 pm
to quote Tim Taylor the fictional character from Home Improvement, "MORE POWER" |
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said by DarkLogix:Well any idea if its possible to make a 6.75 engine that's not self propelled output more?
I noticed that some of the same size (in CC) varied from 6.50 to 7.75 while not being OHV, though some were self propelled I'm just interested in if its possible to change a few parts and get higher output from what I have (which is a 6.75 push mower that's is not self propelled) lawn mower engines have low compression, increasing it by milling the head is one way to get more HP. another is to put a high performance cam in it. I imagine someone makes them.. that will give you the biggest boost.. of course, you can always put a larger stock engine on it. lets say 12 HP. you want an engine with the same shaft size. |
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DarkLogixTexan and Proud Premium Member join:2008-10-23 Baytown, TX |
DarkLogix
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2014-May-13 12:52 am
Well I had been mostly wondering what changed Briggs makes between the models |
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Interesting Idea though I doubt there are aftermarket performance cams and such for a push mower |
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said by DarkLogix:I'm just interested in if its possible to change a few parts and get higher output from what I have (which is a 6.75 push mower that's is not self propelled) In theory, yes. But you will need to make mechanical changes and then retune to take advantage of the changes. For every hoped for change in performance, you will get a very real and inversely proportional change in reliability. If you start with 6.75 HP, you could hope to get over 7.5 HP, but the rub is you may end up with 6. In any case, you have no way of measuring the change and you'll only notice the difference if you screw it up. Bottom line, 6.75 HP is plenty of power for a push mower. You should be able to run behind that. If not, get it tuned up. If you really think you need a 7.5 HP mower, buy an 8.5 HP mower. |
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said by DarkLogix:Interesting Idea though I doubt there are aftermarket performance cams and such for a push mower said by DarkLogix:Interesting Idea though I doubt there are aftermarket performance cams and such for a push mower not for a push mower, but those engines can be used for racing carts etc. here's a big list of companies that make racing parts for briggs. » www.google.com/#q=perfor ··· r+briggs |
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It's highly unlikely that a vertical shaft B&S lawnmower engine is used for racing carts. It takes a horizontal shaft engine for that. |
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dennismurphyPut me on hold? I'll put YOU on hold Premium Member join:2002-11-19 Parsippany, NJ |
said by Jack_in_VA:It's highly unlikely that a vertical shaft B&S lawnmower engine is used for racing carts. It takes a horizontal shaft engine for that. Come on Jack, be creative! Just put a 90-degree elbow on the vertical shaft and wala! you have a horizontal shaft engine. Sheesh, think outside the box once in a while, would ya?! |
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said by Jack_in_VA:It's highly unlikely that a vertical shaft B&S lawnmower engine is used for racing carts. It takes a horizontal shaft engine for that. actually, there are racing lawn tractors, which use a vertical shaft engine. but, many parts for a horizontal shaft engine will fit a vertical shaft engine. also, some of these companies will make you a camshaft.. |
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DarkLogixTexan and Proud Premium Member join:2008-10-23 Baytown, TX |
said by Cho Baka:Turbo it:
(youtube clip) You build it I'll use it to mow the lawn |
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said by DarkLogix:said by Cho Baka:Turbo it:
(youtube clip) You build it I'll use it to mow the lawn that's a bit much. but try contacting one of the companies that I linked to in google. they may have, or can make a high compression head for yours. normalyy it's low, like 7:1 compression, if the head is milled down to get 9:1 compression, you'll get more power. the principle is the same as for a car engine, you know the maximum CC when the piston is down, you just have to bring it up into the compression cycle, and add oil from a syringe into the spark plug hole until it fills, then you know the compression ratio. of course, you have to put clay where the valves and piston line up with the head, and measure the thickness, so you can make sure nothing will hit the head after it's milled.. sometimes you have to make reliefs to get enough clearance.. but this is the simplest, and cheapest way to get more power. |
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DarkLogixTexan and Proud Premium Member join:2008-10-23 Baytown, TX |
said by iknow_t:that's a bit much. but try contacting one of the companies that I linked to in google. they may have, or can make a high compression head for yours. normalyy it's low, like 7:1 compression, if the head is milled down to get 9:1 compression, you'll get more power. If I went that far I think I'd go for 10.5:1 comp ratio though I wonder how hard the pull start might get. |
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garys_2k
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2014-May-13 9:54 pm
I'd buy a new, more powerful mower. |
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DarkLogixTexan and Proud Premium Member join:2008-10-23 Baytown, TX |
DarkLogix
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2014-May-13 10:50 pm
said by garys_2k:I'd buy a new, more powerful mower. Why would I do that it works fine and starts super easy and runs smooth |
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said by iknow_t:said by DarkLogix:Interesting Idea though I doubt there are aftermarket performance cams and such for a push mower said by DarkLogix:Interesting Idea though I doubt there are aftermarket performance cams and such for a push mower not for a push mower, but those engines can be used for racing carts etc. here's a big list of companies that make racing parts for briggs. » www.google.com/#q=perfor ··· r+briggs LOL I might try with an old mower just because. LOL. Looks like they do sell the parts. I rebuilt trail bike motors before, I would think this isn't any harder. |
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DarkLogixTexan and Proud Premium Member join:2008-10-23 Baytown, TX
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DarkLogix
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2014-May-13 11:08 pm
BTW as far as mods go so far (and no I don't think I've actually upped the HP/torque yet, I've done the following
1. E3 spark plug 2. added a fuel filter 3. switched to Royal Purple 5w-30 oil (and before you ask no it hasn't lost any oil yet.) 4. had a friend sharpen the blade with a grinder and balance it.
also in the recent tune up added a good bit of seafoam to the gas, after cleaning the carb jets and pretty much all parts of the carb related to fuel flow.
after that tune up it starts super easy and have almost no vibration. |
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said by DarkLogix: ...it works fine and starts super easy and runs smooth Why screw around with it at all, if that's the case. Your desire to modify it to get more power/torque mystifies me. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. |
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said by Pacrat:Why screw around with it at all, if that's the case. Your desire to modify it to get more power/torque mystifies me. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. More power to compensate for a dull blade? :P |
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DarkLogixTexan and Proud Premium Member join:2008-10-23 Baytown, TX |
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said by Pacrat:Why screw around with it at all, if that's the case. Your desire to modify it to get more power/torque mystifies me. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. More power = more bragging rights I guess. |
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PacratOld and Cranky MVM join:2001-03-10 Cortland, OH
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2014-May-14 1:34 pm
But you'd be bragging about unsubstantiated claims. How're you going to prove any increase in H.P.??? Or torque?? If the thing is working just fine now... not bogging down, or running rough and sputtering, how will you know you've gained anything. Of course, you could strip the engine and send it out to be "bright chromed" and add some "zoomie" header to it and just run a straight pipe. Perhaps, a glass-pack muffler!?! I'd just give the mower a good tune up... change the plug, and gap it properly; change the oil, replace the air cleaner, clean the carb/fuel filter; clean, sharpen and balance the blade, and mow to your heart's content. Or... you could just purchase a new, bigger mower (which has already been suggested). Perhaps a nice, new set of polished alloy wheels , or spinner hubcaps would make your day. |
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DarkLogixTexan and Proud Premium Member join:2008-10-23 Baytown, TX |
said by Pacrat: spinner hubcaps Oh please those are lame I'm about function over form |
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