AnavSarcastic Llama? Naw, Just Acerbic Premium Member join:2001-07-16 Dartmouth, NS |
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Re: The New UTM ~ ZyXEL USG210/110/60W/40W Specmy bad kruser looks like a different model altogether......
However, I dont see why the zywall lineup (of new ilk) shouldnt get the 4.1 firmware improvements as that segment has similar upgraded hardware.... perhaps its just a matter of timing. |
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ah, the datasheets show other values then that posted in the first page of this thread, for example usg 40 has 400 Mb and not 800 for SPI, etc...consider downloading datasheets after buying something. Of course will be no surprise for the usg110 less powerful then usg210 but for only 50 Mb ~ in Utm and 300 for SPI: same thing here, I think 110 has same hardware of 210 but modified by firmware to work less, hope they do not do the same as for the actual usg 100 that is a usg50 with something better in utm for too more money and licenses. |
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No problem Anav! I actually interpreted this thread from the beginning that the original ZW models of the same number as the new USG models would also get the new FW and UTM features. Maybe I read into it wrong? I guess one just needs to keep an eye on the ZW110 FTP folder for any 4.x FW updates. I'd be happy to just see an official stable release of the beta that Brano offered. I do know that what Brano sent does not have any hint of any UTM stuff in that pre-beta version so who knows. One of the quick start guides or some PDF listed under the USG110 FTP folders does indicate both the Zywall AND the USG series on the title page or applies too page so that makes me think it may be included at some point in time. As hardstyler pointed out, the new USG110 does show some better specs in a few areas over the ZW110. How they can achieve that is unknown unless they have streamlined the FW somehow to make the ZW110 meet the claimed specs that the USG110 claims. Or... there is a slightly faster clock or processor in the new USG110. In that case, a new FW for the ZW110 may be able to offer the UTM features but with reduced speeds compared to the USG110. I'm still waiting on an official new FW version for the ZW110 that will correct the issues I was having with the latest official release. The beta Brano offered does seem to have totally fixed the few issues I was having so I hope Zyxel does not abandon the ZW110 FW development and still releases an official release (with support notes!) of at least what Brano supplied as it seems very stable as it is. I bought the ZW110 knowing it did not have any of the UTM stuff so if they do release a new FW for that model that does have the UTM features, I really doubt I'd use them but I guess they would be fun to mess with if they give them away for an entire year. I'm sure it will break the version of Vantage Report though as they have a special version just for the ZW series. Not sure if that version of Vantage Reports would know how to handle the UTM features or if anyone using it would need to switch back to the version that does work with the current USG series. I do think you may be correct on timing and Zyxel has simply not released a version that will upgrade the ZW series. Or... they forgot about us ZW users! said by Anav:my bad kruser looks like a different model altogether......
However, I dont see why the zywall lineup (of new ilk) shouldnt get the 4.1 firmware improvements as that segment has similar upgraded hardware.... perhaps its just a matter of timing. |
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lorennerol Premium Member join:2003-10-29 Seattle, WA |
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I just got initial pricing and it shows "Non-bundled" (no add-in services) versions of the new routers through the 60W. 110 and 210 only show "bundled" prices.
MSRP on the 110 and 210 with the non-optional year of CF, AV, IDP, and AS are $900 and $1250, respectively. |
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2014-Jun-5 5:27 pm
Then what is the MSRP of the USG 40, 40W, -- USG 60, 60W? |
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lorennerol Premium Member join:2003-10-29 Seattle, WA |
40: $320 40W: $420 60: $550 60W: $650
All non-bundled.
Street will be lower of course. |
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2014-Jun-5 11:02 pm
Do you have any kind of bundle pricing for USG40 and USG60 as an option SKU # Do you have any subscription pricing for the standalone full subscriptions on the lower two models? Can you find those prices where ever you came up with the per unit prices? |
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lorennerol Premium Member join:2003-10-29 Seattle, WA |
I have MSRP pricing for all the new SKUs. Will post tomorrow when it's easier to snip and create an image. |
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How odd, unless I'm missing something, that the wireless models don't include 802.11AC support. (A)/B/G/N only... |
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AnavSarcastic Llama? Naw, Just Acerbic Premium Member join:2001-07-16 Dartmouth, NS |
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2014-Jun-6 11:57 am
its a fools game to try and keep up with wifi on routers. The wifi on the USG 40W is as good as APs I have in the house now. If you want the latest and greatest wifi consumer router (which changes every quarter) your probably not a candidate for the more soho and small business oriented market. |
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lorennerol Premium Member join:2003-10-29 Seattle, WA |
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Here's the SKU list and MSRP pricing. |
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The ZyWALL 110 and USG110 also has a internal cooling fan, does the internal fan make noise? Can I remove the cooling fan? |
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said by Anav:its a fools game to try and keep up with wifi on routers. While I recognize what you're saying, wasn't ac approved six months ago? Weren't $200 home routers available pre-spec release nearly a year ago? Seems a little silly, with that much time gone by since the spec was approved, to release a wifi router with the older spec. While it might be a cheaper idea to separate wifi APs from the router, XyXEL is showing it believes there's a market for wifi routers by continuing their W line. If they do indeed believe there's a market, again, it seems silly they'd use the old spec. As I recall they were behind with N wifi as well. Knowing their batting average, though, perhaps they need as much time as possible before releasing new technology. Even when they're behind the curve they still release routers with bugs aplenty. Even so, why would they find adding A to the B/G/N mix more important than going with AC? Even knowing as little as I do about what the consumer wants/needs, I can't help but question that decision. By the time they decide to replace these brand new W routers with new ones AC will be old news. They're starting out quite a bit behind the curve with a brand new product! |
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2014-Jun-6 8:20 pm
There is a difference between 40W and 60W but I forget what. |
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lorennerol Premium Member join:2003-10-29 Seattle, WA |
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said by Gork:Knowing their batting average, though, perhaps they need as much time as possible before releasing new technology. Even when they're behind the curve they still release routers with bugs aplenty. ZyXEL: Today's wireless technology tomorrow (mostly functional). |
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2014-Jun-7 1:02 am
said by lorennerol:ZyXEL: Today's wireless technology tomorrow (mostly functional). Zakly! |
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said by Anav:There is a difference between 40W and 60W but I forget what. Quite a few differences according to the information in this thread. One is that the 40W is STILL only b/g/n while the 60W is a/b/g/n - still all old technology. |
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I just talked to Zyxel tech support again about sending my USG100 to a new home in another state after selling it on ebay. Sold it for $174.98. Zyxel new way is for the buyer to send a picture of the bottom so they can see they have the unit and then Zyxel will go into my account and pull the unit and place it into his account.
Added note: I called Zyxel sales US and complained about the THREE price increases they have done in one year on the USG signature costs. Then I said with their track record they will increase then AGAIN within 6 months of the new USGs coming out. I said STOP STOP screwing us. Then I told him when all this was happening all the online sellers of the signature cards or signature codes increased their pricing and no longer were discounting the signatures. You know like Science Diet dog food and Apple computers. Set pricing. I said call Zyxel Taiwan and tell them ENOUGH already!!!
I told the sales guy Cisco SOHO signatures are 2 times less and they have a 2 and 3 year programs, you guys have only a 1 year sig program for the full bundle of CF, AV, IDS, and AS in the USA. I said at least lower the lower two units sig pricing because most of these will be in residential use scenarios. The guy said he would throw my comments up the chain. We need more calls to Zyxel USA sales dept about the high pricing of sigs on the lower two units, AND the price increases to boot. Don't think these guys are not going to jack the prices up another two times in the next year like they did this year, twice and now again with the new units. Please call Sales at these #s and nicely complain about their high sig pricing on the lower two units. If anything this may stop them from increasing the pricing of sigs AGAIN before you buy your year 2 sigs new package for your next year of use.
ZyXEL Communications Inc. 1130 North Miller Street Anaheim, CA 92806-2001
Phone: 1-800-255-4101 714-632-0882
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2014-Jun-7 3:33 pm
Anyone know a "good" email to
Thorsten Kurpjuhn of Zyxel Germany
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Justin Lin of Zyxel Taiwan
The email they have posted on the Zyxel USG pdfs were bounced back to as a no recipient.
Please PM them to me so they are not posted. |
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The country sets the prices based on their local market. Of course there is a base bom cost, but as long as Taiwan gets x% the country branch can set their own price, so in some cases it might be low in other it might be high. Its based on what the local market can handle.
For all we know, the price of signatures etc is high from bluecoat and they just add a percentage on top. And then again Cisco might create their own or even subsidy the cost to have a cheaper end user price. Its hard to make any calls like this, without a lot of detailed information.
As for the Wifi module is not AC, well if the AC modules cost 20 USD more (I have no clue), then if you expect to sell 1M devices, your lessen your profit with 20M USD. Now how many more do you need to sell to cover that 20 USD and will you sell that amount extra, due to the AC module? |
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said by JPedroT:As for the Wifi module is not AC, well if the AC modules cost 20 USD more (I have no clue), then if you expect to sell 1M devices, your lessen your profit with 20M USD. Now how many more do you need to sell to cover that 20 USD and will you sell that amount extra, due to the AC module? That's one way to look at it. Here are two more: 1. Leave out AC. Save $20/unit. Sell 20,000,000 less units because your brand new premium wireless router is missing a key feature. Lose out on 20,000,000 x $75/unit profit and have your image tarnished at the same time. 2. Put in AC. Add $20 to the price. 95% of people notice AC but not the $20. Sell 20,000,000 more units at the same margin. Fix your image as a purveyor of great routers and crappy WiFi units. |
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2014-Jun-8 1:48 pm
said by lorennerol:1. Leave out AC. Save $20/unit. Sell 20,000,000 less units because your brand new premium wireless router is missing a key feature. Lose out on 20,000,000 x $75/unit profit and have your image tarnished at the same time.
2. Put in AC. Add $20 to the price. 95% of people notice AC but not the $20. Sell 20,000,000 more units at the same margin. Fix your image as a purveyor of great routers and crappy WiFi units. And out of those scenarios, what do you think will happen? Most people could not careless about AC wireless, especially if they have to pay extra for it Also percentage wise, of all installed USG with Wifi support, how many actually use the wifi. If the anecdotal info/feedback I have gotten is the trend, its not even a minor use base. BUT all of this is moot, because its a business decision ZyXEL must and have done, I just wanted to highlight that its not a black and white situation. Personally I think the wifi is there for convenience, not as state of the art wifi solution. Even our small office of 5 people, got a dedicated wifi infrastructure, then again we might be on the very technical side of it. BUT we do not have complete coverage with AC, just the AP in the meeting room was upgraded. |
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2014-Jun-8 4:39 pm
said by JPedroT:Most people could not careless about AC wireless Companies like Linksys (Cisco), ASUS, Apple and Netgear seem to disagree... Heck, what about the X650? The ZyXEL X650... While there is a difference between home and business routers, I can't imagine that if people at home are scooping them up businesses wouldn't PREFER the newer technology. As for the argument about coverage, I can't imagine that an AC router, based on N technology wouldn't accommodate N technology as well. B/G/N/AC more than likely... |
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2014-Jun-8 7:38 pm
I have to agree with JP. Consumer perspective vs someone who deals with enterprise grade concerns. Any business worth their salt will buy APs if they need wifi. They will swap out APs at a financially convenient or relevant point. The investment in actual IT hardware will be a more a substantial and longer lasting procurement. |
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Truth be told, most North Americans have been brainwashed since birth to buy new as often as possible and what they have is old an needs replacement after 15 minutes. |
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That's why you call Zyxel and complain, tell them they lost a sale on the WiFi unit, then buy a NON WiFi unit and add your own external unit. It shouldn't be that way, but until they get push back, they will keep selling crap. Thats why I want to talk to the two guys from Zyxel that run the USG show. Three sig price increases is BS. Fill their phone up and tell them why. No one calls, they keep giving us crap. |
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lorennerol Premium Member join:2003-10-29 Seattle, WA |
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Only if it's a two year old ZyXEL router that can't keep up with the speed of Internet connections, or has five year old WiFi technology.
Look, these aren't $40 Dlink price-point routers. The kind of people who find and decide to purchase ZyXEL routers are not run-of-the-mill technology shoppers; they are educated and are willing to pay more for a premium product. And when the premium product doesn't have the same technology as the $40 Dlink in their other hand, it looks bad (and, IMO, is bad).
Not having AC on the WiFi devices means these routers will be obsolete far sooner than they should be, just like all the underpowered USG routers that can't keep up with the speed of modern Internet connections.
$20 to get a faster processor and/or current wireless technology in a $600 router means nothing to the people buying them. NOT having that speed and technology means a lot. |
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said by Anav:I have to agree with JP. Consumer perspective vs someone who deals with enterprise grade concerns. Any business worth their salt will buy APs if they need wifi. They will swap out APs at a financially convenient or relevant point. The investment in actual IT hardware will be a more a substantial and longer lasting procurement. Businesses, regardless of size and scope are primarily concerned with the cost of doing business. To business, Technology is a tool that either enhances the business or hinders the business and in many instances technology has been more a hindrance then an enabler because there are far too many idiots pretending to be technically capable that are allowed to implement solutions that provide little to no benefit. Now that is a mouthful, wouldn't you say! I have to disagree with JP. ZyXEL used to have a strong value proposition ... sorry to say that ZyXEL no longer provides a viable Value Proposition. |
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usg 40/60 have on/off power switch, useful if you don't want to unplug the power cable in a home office but SSL would be more interesting!
Fastly read the manual and for me is not clear if the wifi antennas can be completely powered OFF, you can see profiles but if you don't have one, antennas works anyway?
I'm asking this cause I'll eventually use wifi only for upgrading my smartphone firmware then turn off for months, I prefer cables! |
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Europe seems to have the new USGs already. USA people, please post when see or hear of hardware available here state side. |
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