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Re: having some problems

Just to confirm what kevinds said, there was a Fibre Cut/theft that occurred between Burnaby and Bellingham. This caused many issues.
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im aware. but that cut was last night not 2 nights ago. my internet has been out since 4am on the 13th. it will be 2 days ago at 4am in 3.5 hours.

the shaw fiber cut happened about 18-22 hours ago at this point if i remember correctly

its possible there related, but i doubt it.
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do people really steal fiber? i know they like stealing copper? but is fiber really worth something to them? how much was stolen if it was a theft?

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Routing loop should be fixed now.

I'll confirm when I get back to my computer though
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its fixed. but now its going to a different instance of the L root server. before it was going to a location in vancouver ( there are 2 root servers in vancouver, L and J.)

when i got up the routing was fixed, but my ping to the server went from 10ms to over 100ms

tracert 199.7.83.42

Tracing route to l.root-servers.net [199.7.83.42]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms 192.168.1.1
2 * * * Request timed out.
3 10 ms 11 ms 9 ms rd3bb-tge0-8-0-0-7.vc.shawcable.net [64.59.156.2
43]
4 13 ms 11 ms 15 ms rc2bb-tge0-4-0-5.vc.shawcable.net [66.163.69.33]

5 11 ms 11 ms 17 ms rc2wh-tge0-0-1-0.vc.shawcable.net [66.163.69.65]

6 33 ms 36 ms 35 ms g1-2.br1.stc.terremark.net [198.32.176.45]
7 108 ms 106 ms 108 ms po14.br1.mia.terremark.net [66.165.160.225]
8 103 ms 114 ms 104 ms t8-1.gw1.mia.terremark.net [66.165.161.82]
9 102 ms 103 ms 103 ms l.root-servers.net [199.7.83.42]

Trace complete.

it might technically be fixed but its not fixed the way it should have been IMO, this could theoretically add 90ms to some of my DNS lookups
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said by 20424689:

do people really steal fiber? i know they like stealing copper? but is fiber really worth something to them? how much was stolen if it was a theft?

Only by accident. They cut a length of cable assuming it's copper and take it away.

Fiber is worthless - it's just plastic that costs very little (if it cost a lot, your blue box would be mined).

Cable thieves are very stupid There are reports of many of them dying because they try to steal live power cable and get electrocuted in the process.

The family of a particularly bright thief tried to sue a power company after said thief tried to steal a powered transformer and electrocuted himself. The court ruled that since said transformers was clearly marked as being dangerous and clearly was not engaged in legitimate activities (he was well deep into the transformer, having defeated many security locks), the power company was not negligent for the death.

And because all the easy low voltage copper is being replaced with fiber, well, it leaves all the nice high voltage ones to electrocute thieves.

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I've seen fiber cables marked as fiber, 'contains no copper'... To try and prevent thieves from cutting it...

You have to have some good fiber skills, to put new ends on fiber cables, short lengths of cut fiber are worthless
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said by kevinds:

I've seen fiber cables marked as fiber, 'contains no copper'... To try and prevent thieves from cutting it...

You have to have some good fiber skills, to put new ends on fiber cables, short lengths of cut fiber are worthless

Those assume the thief reads the cable. Given it normally happens in the dark, well, they aren't going to see it. Just chop it and run.

The thieves who steal copper by ripping it off lines aren't the smartest people in the world. The first time they'll know about it is when the recycler points out that it's worthless plastic and glass.

The smarter ones would cut it, see no copper and leave. Still have a cut cable in the end, though.

And no, the fiber is not taken because it was fiber. It was taken (or just cut and left) because the thief thought it contained copper. They're not stealing it for the fiber, period. Fiber is cheap and used cut up fiber is pretty much worthless as there's no demand - it's so cheap people just buy brand new rolls where they can verify it works, rather than try to fix up a "pre owned" length that might be beat up in the middle and erratic.