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we aren't "eating"

We are "passing". Controlled-state electricity. I hate it when firms are describing bandwidth like oil to" scare" people into not using so much of it (like cable ISPs who prefer to care more about their Pay TV service over their HSI service). Its not a physical thing that once we run out of it we can't find ways to make more of it. It is an indicator of how much we need to innovate to keep up with the demands.

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Re: we aren't "eating"

Firms describe bandwidth like oil not to scare people, but to try to paint the image that bandwidth is a scarce commodity and, therefore, there should be caps and surcharges for its use.

I've never, ever, seen an industry that encourages its product to be capped and surcharged, as the cable industry does.

What is wrong with this picture?
Cobra11M
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its all about trying to make there bottom dollar bigger.., they would love for every one to be capped like wireless providers and charged as that..
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said by camper:

I've never, ever, seen an industry that encourages its product to be capped and surcharged, as the cable industry does.

Electricity? Water? Sewer? Gasoline? Voice minutes? PPV? Shareware software? "Pro" versions of software? "In app purchases"? There are plenty of industries/markets that restrict access to products and encourage additional payments for additional services.

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Aside from the utilities you cite, none of the industries say they will deliver to you a rate of delivery with a capacity cap.

Hmmmm... maybe there's something to your point?
openbox9
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Of course there's something to my point. You pay for something and then pay more for something additional. It really is fairly straightforward and common practice in just about every marketplace.

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said by camper:

Aside from the utilities you cite, none of the industries say they will deliver to you a rate of delivery with a capacity cap.

Hmmmm... maybe there's something to your point?

Ahh, but none of those has to triple the size of there pipe every year or 2... at their own expense, make what should be a 20,30 ,40 year plant investment, over and over.
nor are you likely to use their service for the 1-2 "promo" and then cut of service altogether due to some new (wireless, fiber, ???) coming along.

in fact sewer usual charges $4-10k when added (or wrapped in to the mortgage) and then continues to charge something each month whether you use it or not, water and gas do something like that... plus install, inspect, and meter fees.

The gas station doesn't care, if you have a care/mower/generator/boat/etc. you'll get their eventually, plus they don't make money on gas, it's lotto tickets, old hot dogs, cheetos and BEER that pays their rent.

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The difference is... The Electric service, water, gas ETC are not needing to be upgraded to meet customer demand. You're not tripling your Electricity usage every few years? Those systems were already overbuilt. Plus if you need an upgrade, watch how fast the power company has a truck at your house.

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said by buzz_4_20:

watch how fast the power company has a truck at your house.

At your expense, both direct charges for the upgrade, a larger "meter fee" per month, and likely billed in a higher consumption rate class.
The gas company here had to upgrade the lines near my house, and rates (highly regulated) went up to everyone in the service area. the power company (a not for profit public utility district) has been doing county wide upgrades over the last 6 years and rates have been rising . it's now 8.9 per KW residential rather then 4.5 and new service (new house) has a $6-7K fee to the PUD (just to get it permitted) PLUS any new poles, longer runs and undergrounding are on the builders tab.
And no my electrical use (all electric home) is going down as the PUD offers big discounts and even grants if you add insulation buy CFL's and LED lights even rebates on heat pumps and appliances that save power because NEW sources are too much more expensive to build/expand.

When the utilities are zero profit, public owned you really get to see the cost of every change directly, and broadband would be the same adding capacity will end up on the users tab, all the users will pay a share, but those that cause a faster then average growth SHOULD pay the lions share of the extra cost.