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fiosultimate
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Re: There's not even a point of an activation fee

So?it doesnt cost 600 dollars to manufacture an iphone5s it cost about 200 but people still go to the apple store and pay that much, whatever the market will put up with, and att has been around for a while, so they must be doing something right
Zoder
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Except most people don't pay the full price. They pay the contract price.

So the cost is obscured and phone prices are inflated much higher than they would be if they were sold like any other consumer electronics product.

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said by fiosultimate:

att has been around for a while, so they must be doing something right

Former monopoly and current duopoly = doing something right?

Edrick
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Uhh two completely different things, one is a virtual service that is more or less done automatically via a computer system which we pay into monthly as our cell phone cost and another is a physical device which part out cost has no effect on retail cost as there's R&D, Marketing, Prototyping and other aspects that go into it and it's not a service we pay monthly into.
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That's a bad comparison, one is a physical product while the original discussion is about a service fee for a service, you know, that keeps the service making money...

fiosultimate
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Att needs to keep building for example and mainting physical cell phone towers for cell phone service to work with them, apples and oranges are still fruits

Edrick
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Uhhh did you miss the part where we already pay them a monthly service fee that should cover these? Have you bothered looking at their profits?
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Yes because no other consumer electronics device has those same R&D and marketing costs, and that explains why only cell phones are sold at 200% margins relative to their BoM.

Not.

fiosultimate
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There is no such thing as too many profits, it is legal

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said by fiosultimate:

So?it doesnt cost 600 dollars to manufacture an iphone5s it cost about 200 but people still go to the apple store and pay that much, whatever the market will put up with, and att has been around for a while, so they must be doing something right

"it doesnt cost 600 dollars to manufacture an iphone5s it cost about 200 but people still go to the apple store and pay that much"

That just proves how many stupid people there are in the world!

Man, I wish AT&T and Verizon would just blow up!
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Apple has been doing just fine with its "premium" products for a few decades now. What's wrong with charging what the market is willing to pay?
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Do you come out ahead each month with your paycheck? If so, how dare you make money.

Edrick
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Yes because my paycheck is totally the same as ATT constantly increases fees so their CEO and executives can make millions more. You people really are daft if you think people being against being raped with fees is the same as saying they can't make a profit.
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Do you occasionally earn pay raises? Where do you think those pay raises ultimately come from? So you're ok with companies making profit, just not too much? Perhaps we should regulate how much companies and individuals can earn.

BTW, you appear to have a distorted definition of rape.

Edrick
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You can continue to pay all the additional bellow the line fees you want. But watch out pal if I see you complain ever about an increase inservice costs I'll be waiting

I can tell this conversation with you is pointless.

JakCrow
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Except most people get phones on subsidy, which at least gives the illusion of lower prices, while some vendors are actually undercutting and undermining the industry by selling new phones for half the price as everyone else. Telcom is one of the last markets that gives a damn about what "the market will put up with", especially when "the market" has the same or close to the same activation charges on all providers and customers have little choice in the matter.
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For the record, I despise below the line fees and believe they should not be allowed, period. My service providers raise rates occasionally, and while I don't like that fact, I do see increases for what they are.

Even though you dodged my questions, is this still a pointless conversation for you?

Edrick
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ATT is allowed to do what they want, we're allowed to call them out for what it is. Not this BS oh it's required due to the resources of activating phones. If anything it should be cheaper now than it was to activate phones. But it's not for activation of the phones as it's about more corporate profits.
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So if AT&T had said, "we want to make more money so we're raising our activation fees" you would've been satisfied?

Edrick
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Yes
sonicmerlin
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The market isn't bearing the full cost of these devices. It's hidden behind subsidies and network frequency bands.
openbox9
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So? It's being paid for and the consumer continues going back for more, and more.