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Is EBox losing money on these Cable prices?is Electronic Box losing money on their new Cable packages? Their prices are significantly lower than that of their competitors'.
Also, for their 60/10 Mbps cable (Ontario) package, does anyone know if they can cut you off when you hit the chosen bandwidth consumption allotment? (1 TB) |
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I don't believe ISPs can cut you off for anything other than failure to pay. They can throttle your speed but cannot cut you off entirely due to the possible safety implications. |
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HiVolt Premium Member join:2000-12-28 Toronto, ON
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HiVolt
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2014-Jun-18 3:11 pm
What safety implications... Internet isn't an essential service. Companies can and do suspend internet accounds because of abuse. It all depends how actively they enforce their user policy.
And at this prices, they are definitely in danger of attracting too many users with large usage habits and it does not bode well for their bottom line...
They'll have to adjust in the long run or definitely lose money. |
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GuspazGuspaz MVM join:2001-11-05 Montreal, QC |
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Internet cannot be less essential than telephone service, since Internet can be used to provide telephone service. If you don't consider telephone service essential, then your statement is correct. |
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said by Guspaz:Internet cannot be less essential than telephone service, since Internet can be used to provide telephone service. If you don't consider telephone service essential, then your statement is correct. Yes, I agree with this statement, however that is not the way it is classified. A traditional landline is an essential service whereas internet is not. |
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It varies from province to province. It was struck down in Saskatchewan which had tried to make internet an essential service. The legal argument is that if a person is using an internet connected medical device/monitoring and the ISP shuts off the account for bandwidth consumption that's something that could endanger the individual's life. It also wouldn't be covered under safe harbour laws. |
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diskace commented on pricing in this Start thread recently: » Re: Electronicbox is sooo tempting... help me out! |
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Voip service is not classified with the same protections of essential service as traditional pots landline and therefore internet does not have the same 24 hour repair window |
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said by Guspaz:Internet cannot be less essential than telephone service, since Internet can be used to provide telephone service. If you don't consider telephone service essential, then your statement is correct. But legally there is no distinction there. Internet access is not essential period. And there are many more points of failure for VoIP as well so realistically it could never happen. |
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What happens when Bell upgrades to a next gen (i.e. ftth) network? Will the telephone service still be considered an essential service? Or does essential service classification only apply to legacy (copper) pots? |
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said by lawrence171:is Electronic Box losing money on their new Cable packages? Ontario: Yes
... if they can cut you off when you hit the chosen bandwidth consumption allotment? No |
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elwoodbluesElwood Blues Premium Member join:2006-08-30 Somewhere in |
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The prices are not competitive. 30/5 for 30/5 after 6 months?? I get 45/4 with NO caps for the same price |
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imtiax Premium Member join:2014-05-24 Toronto, ON |
imtiax
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2014-Jun-21 12:02 am
What provider are u with |
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DavesnothereChange is NOT Necessarily Progress Premium Member join:2009-06-15 Canada |
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said by elwoodblues:The prices are not competitive. 30/5 for 30/5 after 6 months?? I get 45/4 with NO caps for the same price On a grampa'd plan. And what was that price again ? |
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elwoodbluesElwood Blues Premium Member join:2006-08-30 Somewhere in |
said by Davesnothere:said by elwoodblues:The prices are not competitive. 30/5 for 30/5 after 6 months?? I get 45/4 with NO caps for the same price On a grampa'd plan. And what was that price again ? $54 (after 6 months) |
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said by imtiax:What provider are u with I'm currently with Acanac, but their prices seem to be higher and higher for Cable. I know they probably have to due to Rogers, but still... $60 + tax a month for 30/5... |
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On Rogers cable
45$ Ebox 250GB (30/5) 55$ Acanac 350GB (30/5) Month to month
53$ Ebox 1000GB (30/5) 65$ Acanac unlimited (30/5) Month to month -------------------------------- 60$ Ebox 350GB (60/10) 70$ Acanac 350GB (60/10) Month to month
67$ Ebox 1000GB (60/10) 80$ Acanac unlimited (60/10) Month to month |
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DavesnothereChange is NOT Necessarily Progress Premium Member join:2009-06-15 Canada 4 edits |
[COMPARISON CHART for TPIA in Rogers' 'Hood]I have added TSI, START, VMedia, & Distributel to the mix. Modems and Tax are Extra in all cases. AFAIK, ALL below providers allow you to use your own modem, if it is an approved model. Installation fees may vary with each provider and with the type of install.ALL PRICES ARE REGULAR ONES, NOT TEMPORARY/LIMITED PROMOs !!! I HAVE MOVED & REPOSTED THE CHART FURTHER ALONG in the CURRENT THREAD, at this link : » Revised COMPARISON CHART for TPIA thru Rogers CableThere is also some interesting discussion before that, in the full thread, beginning here : » Is EBox losing money on these Cable prices? |
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ou812
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2014-Jun-23 10:39 am
Re: Is EBox losing money on these Cable prices?Wow, Teksavvy is sure sucking the hind tit these days on pricing. Interesting. |
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jmckformerly 'shaded' join:2010-10-02 Ottawa, ON |
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few other things to consider too:
-install fee -transfer fee -package change fee |
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DavesnothereChange is NOT Necessarily Progress Premium Member join:2009-06-15 Canada |
I did mention in passing to consider those too, but was not prepared to make a full spreadsheet just now. |
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Also cost for a 8x4 modem. Damn Rogers. My 6120 will certainly handle 30/5 without a single issue, what a money grab. |
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jmckformerly 'shaded' join:2010-10-02 Ottawa, ON |
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2014-Jun-23 7:27 pm
said by Madwand:Also cost for a 8x4 modem. Damn Rogers. My 6120 will certainly handle 30/5 without a single issue, what a money grab. that statement makes no sense since Rogers gets no money from you buying a modem at a store or from a TPIA. |
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said by lawrence171:is Electronic Box losing money on their new Cable packages? Their prices are significantly lower than that of their competitors'.
Also, for their 60/10 Mbps cable (Ontario) package, does anyone know if they can cut you off when you hit the chosen bandwidth consumption allotment? (1 TB) It depends on how you look at it jmck. In my opinion they do. They make it harder for TPIA customers who generally will buy their modem, which pisses off TPIA customers and Rogers themselves will probably charge higher modem rentals to their own customers now for a more expensive modem (albeit better) when their current one works perfectly fine. Rogers also charges an arm and a leg with testing fees from ISPs wishing to sell new modem models. Not a ton of money, but still a hindrance to smaller ISPs nonetheless. You can't tell me that a 6120 can't handle the basic 10/1 service or the 30/5 service. It's working on 45/4 right now without issues. |
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jmck
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2014-Jun-24 12:17 am
it's not about what's working now, those with existing modems and existing packages aren't affected and will keep using their 4x4 channel modems. |
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Teddy Boomk kudos Received Premium Member join:2007-01-29 Toronto, ON |
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said by Madwand:They make it harder for TPIA customers who generally will buy their modem, which pisses off TPIA customers and Rogers themselves will probably charge higher modem rentals to their own customers now for a more expensive modem (albeit better) when their current one works perfectly fine. This is very obviously true. I mean sure, 'cash grab' is a bit too simplistic, it is a political/business decision though, not a technical one. The CRTC should be all over that, but getting the CRTC to care is hard. Especially since the indies have bigger fish to fry. |
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DSMdude join:2012-06-30 Kitchener, ON |
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I almost considered Start due to pricing and the 200GB sweet spot with the 30/5 package but I believe they throttle you after x amount (I think its 10) GB per day of bandwidth. That doesn't sit well with me so I stayed with Teksavvy. I went with the 30/5 150GB package and plan to do most of my heavy use during off peak hours. I don't know the ins and outs of the other IISPs however Teksavvy's off peak usage which doesn't contribute to your cap is a great selling feature (for me) which is another reason I stayed with them. |
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DavesnothereChange is NOT Necessarily Progress Premium Member join:2009-06-15 Canada 3 edits |
said by DSMdude:I almost considered Start due to pricing and the 200GB sweet spot with the 30/5 package, but I believe they throttle you after x amount (I think its 10) GB per day of bandwidth..... USAGE, not Bandwidth, is the correct term, and Teksavvy should be ashamed for still sometimes calling it Bandwidth. Anyway, START has not said very much recently about that policy, which, last I heard, kicked in after 20GB in any day. BTW, it was not a form of 'throttling' - instead it was a type of data 'prioritizing', which means that your data might get delayed by a few milliseconds, but if and only if enough other customers who are NOT being prioritized also all wanted enough data at the exact same moment. And I believe that START was only doing that to their unlimited plan folks who were being fed thru the Rogers wire (aka rCable). I am not clear about whether START is still doing that to anybody who is on their new (2014 May) unlimited rCable plans, nor am I sure whether about they plan to do it to Cogeco-fed (cCable) unlimited customers. Any comments from Da Boss on this ? |
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DSMdude join:2012-06-30 Kitchener, ON |
Correct - usage is the term. But call it what you want - throttling, prioritizing - its bad enough I don't get my full speed at the best of times but I cant justify agreeing to a process where Im guaranteed to lose speed (bandwidth) so thats where the off peak usage comes in handy. |
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