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Re: [Cable] PricingTekSavvy has invested a pile of money into it's backbone network, with some great peering arrangements, so Savvy users like me can get stable and low pings for online gaming, VoIP, and Skype. TekSavvy also has people like TSI Gabe who can magically diagnose and fix weird routing issues to keep customers happy. IPv6? No problem. Fighting for customers against the big boys? Yup. Innovative billing structures. This and other stuff is why I remain a TekSavvy customer. |
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This is all correct and why tsi can command a slightly higher rate. Tek has done alot of work and bends over backwards for their customers when possible. If I wasn't a BCE employee and receiving a discount on my services I'd be a TSI customer myself! |
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to MacGyver
+1, I have been with start/rogers/bell/vmedia and tek has had the lowest ping by a good amount for online gaming (usually 64~70ms for league of legends) everyone else near me gets 80+. Even that tiny bit of latency makes the extra cost worth it to me, not to mention the other benefits (ZTC, Support, etcetc) |
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to MacGyver
said by MacGyver:TekSavvy has invested a pile of money into it's backbone network, with some great peering arrangements, so Savvy users like me can get stable and low pings for online gaming, VoIP, and Skype. TekSavvy also has people like TSI Gabe who can magically diagnose and fix weird routing issues to keep customers happy. IPv6? No problem. Fighting for customers against the big boys? Yup. Innovative billing structures. This and other stuff is why I remain a TekSavvy customer. +1 Though I'd like to see a flatter logistics curve in their pricing |
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mikekay Premium Member join:2011-01-29 Kitchener, ON |
mikekay
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2014-Jun-25 12:57 pm
said by JMJimmy:said by MacGyver:TekSavvy has invested a pile of money into it's backbone network, with some great peering arrangements, so Savvy users like me can get stable and low pings for online gaming, VoIP, and Skype. TekSavvy also has people like TSI Gabe who can magically diagnose and fix weird routing issues to keep customers happy. IPv6? No problem. Fighting for customers against the big boys? Yup. Innovative billing structures. This and other stuff is why I remain a TekSavvy customer. +1 Though I'd like to see a flatter logistics curve in their pricing Even start is looking pretty good and going from aDSL to vDSL soon the modem + activation is due anyway so shouldn't really matter where I go I wish they would come down just a wee bit especially on the unlimited accounts. But a static IP, unlimited upload, and free times work for me -- plus theres the whole ztc thing too. |
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I think it's wonderful that we can have this discussion about various ISP options, and that there are viable options. There are many people who don't have such choice. |
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mikekay Premium Member join:2011-01-29 Kitchener, ON |
mikekay
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2014-Jun-25 1:22 pm
AS in? |
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to MacGyver
I am a TakSavvy landline customer and previous MLPPP dual connection DSL customer 2010-prior... unfortunately no DSL to my current residence, and stuck on turbo hub with 3 sim cards.
Got a question for you or anyone:
1) Where abouts does TekSavvy's backbone network begin.... after the remote you are hooked up to, the CO, or farther back.
2) Is it directly maintained by Teksavvy, a mixed of contracting and maintained by them, or is it contracted out?
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said by MacGyver:I think it's wonderful that we can have this discussion about various ISP options, and that there are viable options. There are many people who don't have such choice. +1 & kudos to you MacGyver for bringing it up.... some people should see my story before complaining about their slow 10/1 service. I was relocated for work reasons, and the new place I moved into doesn't have cable, and DSL has arrived both parallel roads to me within the past 2 years. Moved here in 2011, still no DSL 2014, and no work being done as of this summer. I tried Xplornet Satellite... works, but with such high pings my wife can't work from home and remotely connect to hospitals up north to provide essential services (she is a pharmacist who provides services remotely to communities who have no reasonable chance of getting a pharmacist on site). Her job uses about 1 to 1.5 gigs of data per workday. In short, not alot compared to the Netflix and youtubers out there. We ended up with Turbo Hub, with at first over $100 for a 10 gig cap, and $20 a gig beyond that. Decent speed (8/1), but massive profiteering per gig of bandwidth. Netflix, and youtubing doesn't happen in this household. As of the past month, we are on the generous 20 gig plan, and $10 a gig for every gig above. We run 3 sim cards, because it is cheaper than paying overages.... just updating 3 computers isn't cheap! I think that providers should be heavily regulated when they do not provide DSL, and control the implementation of more expensive offerings... and be forced to provide discounts/lesson caps to those stuck on Turbo Hub with few other choices. That probally won't happen though. Bell in my case, controls the provision of DSL, and the more expensive Turbo Hub offerings... a true monopoly. Taxpayer dollars went to upgrade wireless provisions... unfortunately this is where it went... the most profitable and unregulated services available. Bell doesn't want to throttle Turbo Hub offerings.... why would they with prices like that! I do not wish bad service on anyone, everyone needs a good baseline service. I also do appreciate Bell in a few ways, as they are actually the only ones pushing forward with service, and actually expanding their network into untouched areas. After the 2009/2010 throttling issues, and cap issues, and their current profiteering business practices, they have a ways to go making amends... I also note that Cogeco wasn't in the least bit interested in expanding to us, despite being just as close to Bell. I suspect Cogeco is slowly becoming irrelevant... at least in the Pembroke/Petawawa area... Perhaps as relevant as UHF TV? Fibre/DSL/VDSL service... as low as 5/1 service would go a long way for people like me! Although, whatever they offer, I will be getting the max package available up to 250/250 for speed of the wife's work. However, I do often grumble when I hear someone complaining on this forum about their 15/1 service in "desperate" need of being upgraded, and how they have it so rough... There are 15 houses & 3 home based businesses within 1 KM of me, all truly stuck with internet that is too restrictive in price to use. Anyways... a few beers makes me gripe easily! Thanks for listening! |
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xdrag join:2005-02-18 North York, ON 2 edits |
xdrag
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2014-Jun-25 11:55 pm
Have you considered using a long-range router (from a location that has bell service) or paying bell/rogers to privately connect your house if it's not "too too" far away.
There are high-gain directional wifi antennas that you can use if you can get a clear line of sight.
I know some homes in sub-urban areas pay for a fiber connection but end up paying a lot less for a much better service in the long-term.
Again, not the same situation but maybe applicable in some ways. Especially if your neighbours/businesses pool resources together, there might be a solution. (also raises your house's re-sale value) |
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Hey xdrag,
I have looked into the point to point service and paying someone... about a KM away, but the tower would have to be about 200 plus feet tall. I have many 200 foot pines in my backyard alone... one is 12 feet in circumference.
I have also looked into getting fibre 10/10 dedicated... a quote from Teksavvy came to $1200 a month for 3 years... install costs weren't discussed, as it really could get crazy from there. The dedicated connection is simply too expensive at this time.
Cogeco isn't interested in expanding anything, and NRTC has little interest in anything that isn't new construction.
That being said, I am into doing business. Unfortunately Bell isn't in the mood to provide despite my calls, and interest in being an easy to service customer.
My offer is much like a quote for an install of a simple electrical service such as a separate meter, only I am willing to pay more to get proper high speed.
Although I already have phone service with 3 pair, my offer is geared to a new run of copper/coax/fibre if required:
I can provide at my cost, trenched conduit to given specs with pull strings from the pole to my house including riser at basement and pole. All work would be completed by myself as I have access to material, labour and equipment to dig. It is also only about 30 meters. I would handle to code locates, digging damage, and backfill along with inspection costs if required.
Install tech would use pull string to pull wire to unfinished ceiling basement. I will provide all risers & pathways (holes) in exterior of house and joists to lead to a "demark" of sorts next to electrical panel, and provided electrical plug for modem.
As for payment to the tech install part, I can offer a flexible $2000. It is a pretty good deal for the company willing to install, far better than their $90 tech fee's, especially since I provide everything required. Pretty much a dream install for any tech.
As for plans, my budget would be a flexible $300 internet monthly costs for a near unlimited bandwidth cap, or perhaps something like 150 to 300 gigs with maybe $2 a gig overage. Open to business plans or residential.
Speed to be determined, but beating 10/10 would be a goal. 5/1 is minimum expected.
Latency is expected to be the standard DSL low latency, as this is just as important to us as bandwidth.
In short, I am flexible, and willing to pay far higher than the DSL market rates set by Bell for proper internet services, instead of crappy cellular access.
Here is another kicker, despite being on no contract, I will be holding onto at least one plan for my Turbo Hub as a backup connection, as we can't be down for any reason. If Bell does the install, and fibe TV is available, will subscribe to their "Best" package as well.
I lament the Big corporate attitude taken by Bell in alot of ways. People like me are willing to do business in the community. Wish Bell would be open to someone who wants to do business!
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said by jumpingryan:a quote from Teksavvy came to $1200 a month for 3 years This statement makes no since to me, (but I've only done home and small business IT work) Shouldn't the price be lower then their listed plans or at least the same? If your connected directly to TSI then there is no incumbent last mile (thus no extra fees) involved... right? (what am I missing?) |
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Gami00 join:2010-03-11 Mississauga, ON |
Gami00
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2014-Jun-26 7:19 am
probably everything.. like the cost of doing business.. maybe if you actually got the real quote and all line items, it would make more sense, instead assuming "magic" is how it all connects together and that no one is required to maintain or support anything. |
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to jumpingryan
If the PtP is only a km away and you can dig the trench it might be worth seeing if it's technically/financially feasible to run a wireline from it. Probably not viable, but if it is you could spread the costs. |
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to Gami00
Gami00 Chill, I pointed out I've only done small stuff, but the drastic price hike made no since to me. ($60/month with incumbent, $1200/month without)
Generally cutting out the middle man yields savings, what I don't see is how it results in a 20x hike. |
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said by ShetiPhian:Gami00 Chill, I pointed out I've only done small stuff, but the drastic price hike made no since to me. ($60/month with incumbent, $1200/month without)
Generally cutting out the middle man yields savings, what I don't see is how it results in a 20x hike. In short, no DSL = no real regulation on price for a dedicated line. If Bell doesn't want to put DSL to my house, then Teksavvy and all the others cannot offer either even if they wanted to. What they can do is offer a dedicated service, which equals the costs below (T1 line, or some other offering like dedicated business fibre). A vast majority of of the people on here have great choice in their offerings.... cable and dsl to the home, great cell coverage, all with the ability to complain about their 15/10 service being too slow. I try and put things in perspective to my situation.... town of 15,000 people, coverage to most, not much luck with expansion to the have nots, and a hole in the middle of coverage. I agree with Guspaz, comparing a $60 plan to a $1200 10/10 dedicated fibre is silly, but there isn't an inbetween available for myself and others like most on the forum..... And I am not really that rural. Turbo Hub with it's $10 a gigabyte, or $1200 dedicated 10/10 fibre. That is where a discounted semi-dedicated service would be of great assistance to me... perhaps at a premium price ($300 to $400 monthly rather than $1200) plus an increased install fee. Funny story, I called Teksavvy about HSA... to see if it was some sort of dedicated discounted service. It isn't available. The guy at the other end was knowledgeable on the technical side, yet completely unaware that there were still people out there without any sort of DSL/cable access. He thought everyone was upgraded years ago.... I told him my rates I paid now for what I get via cellular, and he was even more floored. |
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xdrag join:2005-02-18 North York, ON |
xdrag
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2014-Jun-26 6:07 pm
Can you install on top of the pine tree? 200 ft? wow.
Ofc, you would need to properly run a ground prior to reaching your house but you would probably get a proper electrician/install crew for that already.
Have you asked your electric company whether they have "hydro" internet? Some are able to provide data services using power lines. |
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Two of the trees were winched, the rest were mostly cut and pushed with a skidder. | All the trees that were cut down | The garage is 13 feet tall on the inside, this tree had a 39 inch diameter stump & over 12 feet circumference | I have two piles like this of logs. |
said by xdrag:Can you install on top of the pine tree? 200 ft? wow.
Ofc, you would need to properly run a ground prior to reaching your house but you would probably get a proper electrician/install crew for that already.
Have you asked your electric company whether they have "hydro" internet? Some are able to provide data services using power lines. As of Thursday, the trees on my property are gone... but they are still plentiful all around me off my land! The trees in some cases were a threat to houses/buildings and in some cases my neighbours property. I am in the process of raising the grade, and those trees wouldn't likely have lived with the extra dirt as pine trees are shallow rooted trees. I also have other plans for the area behind me (possibly another detached garage and/or a pool and an almost guaranteed play structure for my daughter). The trees also dropped huge limbs of 4 to 6 inches in diameter randomly.... a plastic shed was leveled (those things suck anyways, and a snowmobile in the shed suffered alot of body damage. I had concerns about my daughter playing there in the future with hugh limbs crashing down at random and often hanging 30 to 50 feet up from other limbs. It was a shame to see them go as they were at least twice my age, but that is how things go. I have plans for two smaller apple trees, and some other more manageable trees that can grow, and become someone elses problem 50 to 100 years from now. It wasn't really feasible to put an antenna on a tree though. Far too much sway, and grounding issues. Coupled with the fact that delimbing requires a climbing arborist, which is in demand as a skill, and risky work. However, I was wrong in my assessment, after they were cut, the trees were only 150 feet or so... LOL Still a bit of a challenge. The logs are off to the side of the house... over 20 logs, cut into 30 foot lengths, and a diameter of around 36 inches, with the largest being 39. They are for sale BTW, buyer to provide transportation! PM me if interested! Anyways, I have checked into hydro for internet too, more expensive than Teksavvy... although I found them interesting mainly because they should look at it as a greater business With all the problems with Hydro One both budgetary, and efficiency wise, they need to start actually making money, and internet could be a good way! The last picture of the logs shows how simple it would be to trench from the pole with an excavator... I am standing near the house and you could see the pole in the background. |
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