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davecfraser
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[DSL] Trying to Bond together two DSL lines using Tech Savvy...

HI Guys,

I'm having trouble getting MLPPP with two DSL lines to double bond. I bought an Asus RT-N66U from Flashrouters.com and they ASSURED me that it would be possible. Now I'm not even sure if multiple DSL connections are possible (it's got Tomato 1.28 by Shibby installed). I was wondering if I could install say Tomato/MLPPP 1.27 and have success with this router or if I'm out of luck?

Any help would be GREATLY appreciated!

Guspaz
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There is not currently any software that runs on the RT-N66U that supports proper MLPPP, so "Flashrouters.com" was misinformed. Tomato/MLPPP is rather old, and doesn't support any modern routers.

For MLPPP on slower lines, your best bet is a good old WRT54G doing the bonding, while using your N66U as your actual router. For MLPPP on faster lines, you'll want something from Microtik or pfsense or Cisco or something like that.
davecfraser
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Awesome thanks for your reply. Where the heck do you get an old router? Also there are multiple versions of the WRT54G, which ones actually work?

Mike2009
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Teksavvy sells it as do many online retailers.
davecfraser
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Well Teksavvy told me I was on my own when I spoke with them on the phone. Online retailers such as..... ??

HiVolt
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How fast are your lines? The old WRT54GL is quite underpowered by modern standards (10 year old hardware) its fine for bonding 2-4 6meg lines, and maybe two 15/1 lines, but if you wanna bond 25 or 50meg vdsl, i wouldn't bother.
davecfraser
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Hi Thanks for your reply, my lines are currently around 1 megs (crappy rural internet)

HiVolt
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Ah, then yeah an old WRT54GL v1.1 will definitely work.

BTW, bonding with MLPPP works best if both lines are at the same sync rate, and same interleave profile, either both fastpath, or both interleave.

Do you have both your lines hooked up already, or are you just planning for a second? If so, do you know how to fetch your line stats?

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said by davecfraser:

Well Teksavvy told me I was on my own when I spoke with them on the phone. Online retailers such as..... ??

»www.ncix.com/detail/link ··· 7408.htm

HiVolt
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»www.newegg.ca/Product/Pr ··· -Product

Here's a link from newegg.ca

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Hello davecfraser,

I'm not quite sure why you were told you were on your own here. Granted the support we offer for MLPPP is a bit limited, but the hardware is a different matter.

As mentioned the Linksys WRT54GL we sell will work fine for two 1Mb lines. If you could please post in the »/forum ··· avdirect forum with your account info I'd be happy to provide more details for you (and look into who told you we couldn't help and why).

Thank you,
Keith

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Good info here on setup.

»mlppp.teksavvy.com/index_en.html
davecfraser
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Thanks guys! the WRT54GL works then eh? Doesn't have version considerations?

damir
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I have one that i don't use, PM me.

HiVolt
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said by davecfraser:

Thanks guys! the WRT54GL works then eh? Doesn't have version considerations?

The WRT54GL is a universally compatible version with Tomato/MLPPP.

The standard WRT54G had maybe 15 versions, with only the earlier ones supporting Tomato/MLPPP
davecfraser
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Awesome thanks brother! It's a bit confusing for a 1st timer
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Done!

Guspaz
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The version of Tomato that Tomato/MLPPP is based on is old and out of date, but that shouldn't really be much of an issue for the sort of basic use you're talking about. In that scenario (bonding two or more 1 meg lines), I'd suggest using the WRT54GL as your router and the RT-N66U as your wireless access point.

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said by Guspaz:

The version of Tomato that Tomato/MLPPP is based on is old and out of date, but that shouldn't really be much of an issue for the sort of basic use you're talking about. In that scenario (bonding two or more 1 meg lines), I'd suggest using the WRT54GL as your router and the RT-N66U as your wireless access point.

Couldn't he 1:1 nat out of Tomato/MLPPP to the N66U and have it do all the routing? Though with bonding just a few 1meg lines it shouldn't have any issues at all performance wise.
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After following this thread I just have to say something. It may be too late but you we be better off using a mikrotik router for mlppp. It works really well and its easy to configure(from documentation online).

Guspaz
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There are various things he could do to have the N66U do the actual routing, but they add complexity: the simplest solution is to just do the routing on the WRT. Normally you might not want to do that because of performance concerns, but 2x1 meg is so slow that you couldn't tax the capabilities of the WRT if you tried.

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said by Guspaz:

There are various things he could do to have the N66U do the actual routing, but they add complexity: the simplest solution is to just do the routing on the WRT. Normally you might not want to do that because of performance concerns, but 2x1 meg is so slow that you couldn't tax the capabilities of the WRT if you tried.

Yeah, sucks to have a nice router though and just have it be a glorified WAP, hehe...
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Do others agree with this ? What specific model should I get?
dcgm19
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i use the RB2011UiAS-2HnD-IN in my server room but for something a lot cheaper and does the same thing you can get a RB951G-2HnD

Guspaz
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MicroTik makes good routers, and they're capable of bonding quite fast connections together... but they're overkill for your use case, and they're not user friendly. They're made for IT professionals.
dcgm19
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sure they are more for the tech savvy but they are just too good not to use especially for the price and there is a lot of documentation online for setting it up for mlppp

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It's odd that you would mention that particular setup, that's exactly how I have one of my networks setup. I'm using a WRT54GS though instead of the GL, I like RAM.