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Re: Figures...

said by IPPlanMan:

Despite Verizon's pushback and pretzel twisting, the truth is coming out. Thanks Netflix!

LOL. Netflix is as likely lying as is Verizon. Until Netflix turns over their network statistics to a 3rd party, we shouldn't trust them either.
sides14
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Verizons release last week said it was all about peering (34% egress utilzization and 100% ingress utilization). That is a Verizon issue since they haven't upgraded their peering agreement.
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Not really, peering points - like arguments - have at least two sides.
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The bottom line is that Netflix performs well on many ISPs and not on others. ISPs can choose not to optimize network/peers to certain services but then they are telling their customers that they (ISP) will choose what sites will work or not. They may as well come out with a statement that they will not help video services compete with their own offerings and get it over with.

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I disagree, Netflix has a company history of being honest and open. Verizon as well as Comcast etc have a company history of being dishonest, and self serving.

I'm not saying Netflix isn't out to make a buck, but I think they are a much more honest and honorable company that Verizon/Comcast any day.

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said by AVonGauss:

Not really, peering points - like arguments - have at least two sides.

Good point. When is Verizon going to pay for Cogent's upgrades? Verizon's numbers show that they're clearly a subscriber to Cogent's network.
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Unless we're looking at different "charts", Verizon's numbers do not detail Cogent specifically. Regardless, I'd be willing to bet a very large sum of cash that Cogent sends Verizon far more data than Verizon sends Cogent.
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Exactly. Verizon's own report used misleading words to make it sound like it was Netflix's fault, but when you read the report, it's pretty clear that it's interconnection- and we know Verizon was the one holding up upgrades to those...
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said by pumpkinhead7:

I disagree, Netflix has a company history of being honest and open.

Honest and open?

Tell that to the DVD subscribers who found themselves throttled.

Tell that to the California taxpayers who are told he's a Republican.

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said by Plus One :

said by IPPlanMan:

Despite Verizon's pushback and pretzel twisting, the truth is coming out. Thanks Netflix!

LOL. Netflix is as likely lying as is Verizon. Until Netflix turns over their network statistics to a 3rd party, we shouldn't trust them either.

In what context? Everyone-- including Verizon-- knows Verizon is letting their peers saturate, and we all know why.
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And I would bet no. Lest we forget that Verizon runs the former UUnet, AS701, which still has tons of business customers, hosting providers, etc on it.

UUnet has always been a major "exporter" of traffic, because they have always had the big name customers on their service.

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Well if it weren't for the fact that it's not just Netflix... Other ISP's don't seem to have anywhere near the issues with streaming sites. ISP's made their beds when they decided to make sure people have more than a dozen times less upload than download and thus make everyone download from a remote site (client-server) instead of using P2P services architecture.