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buzz_4_20
join:2003-09-20
Dover, NH

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Holy OVERSELLING Batman

Selling people a LTE connection and users that are near 5 gigs are a problem worth dealing with.

That is some seriously oversold bandwidth.
elefante72
join:2010-12-03
East Amherst, NY

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Wrong. Take two people:

Joe - He watches movies every night from 3-5 AM on the night shift and does 90 GB per month.

Sally - Watches youtube clips on her train ride home at 5:30PM every day and uses 1 GB in the month.

Which one do you think is impacting the network more? SALLY.

Its not about bits, its about WHEN you use the bits. The ENTIRE fallacy of usage caps in action...

And not some theory, look at Canada for TPIA (LEC in US). Their ENTIRE bill for the month is based upon the MAXIMUM usage at any point in the month. THATS IT (UBB - Usage based billing). In fact many allow zero caps on upload and no caps in the morning hours, because it DOESN'T MATTER to the operator--because the network is sized for maximum.

buzz_4_20
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So way push wholesale caps when it's not the true root of the problem?
Why not have daytime/nighttime bits then?
elefante72
join:2010-12-03
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Ask Verizon or AT&T that. There are theories on user behavior modification if one imposes hard caps w/penalties (more $$$)--that are very effective, or simply to make more money. However capped plans have a weak correlation to the network capacity issue because they are not reflective of temporal capacity.

The problem is the same in any network. Capacity, speed, latency.

battleop
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Shouldn't Joe get back to work?

ArrayList
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join:2005-03-19
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I think you missed the part where that was his job.
78036364 (banned)
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said by buzz_4_20:

So way push wholesale caps when it's not the true root of the problem?
Why not have daytime/nighttime bits then?

Because customers are stupid and don't even know a MB form a GB and you expect them to know about daytime bits vs nighttime bits?
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said by elefante72:

Wrong. Take two people:

Joe - He watches movies every night from 3-5 AM on the night shift and does 90 GB per month.

Sally - Watches youtube clips on her train ride home at 5:30PM every day and uses 1 GB in the month.

and under these scenarios NEITHER would be throttled but all the complainers don't understand this.
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said by buzz_4_20:

Selling people a LTE connection and users that are near 5 gigs are a problem worth dealing with.

That is some seriously oversold bandwidth.

If people would clear about how mobile data works it's not shocking at all.

Simple math. Verizon 10 MHz downlink on 700 MHz spectrum. That means a TOTAL of 75 Mbps per tower sector. Also total users are limited to 400 simultaneous. Not an issue for people just accessing a webpage since that takes seconds or less. It IS an issue for people streaming video since that is a constant connection.

Do the math if you have 400 people trying to stream that limits the speed to 192 kbps each. If one expects a carrier to have the ability for all it's users to stream 5 Mbps they would need over 250 MHz just for downlink. No one has that and no one ever will.

IPPlanMan
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A very proper Batman reference indeed...
sonicmerlin
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said by 78036364:

said by buzz_4_20:

Selling people a LTE connection and users that are near 5 gigs are a problem worth dealing with.

That is some seriously oversold bandwidth.

If people would clear about how mobile data works it's not shocking at all.

Simple math. Verizon 10 MHz downlink on 700 MHz spectrum. That means a TOTAL of 75 Mbps per tower sector. Also total users are limited to 400 simultaneous. Not an issue for people just accessing a webpage since that takes seconds or less. It IS an issue for people streaming video since that is a constant connection.

Do the math if you have 400 people trying to stream that limits the speed to 192 kbps each. If one expects a carrier to have the ability for all it's users to stream 5 Mbps they would need over 250 MHz just for downlink. No one has that and no one ever will.

Do you just copy and paste the same post evacuated of all rationality and intelligence in every thread?

In what universe would everyone on a tower ever simultaneously use data and/or stream at 5mbps? If people did that on cable ISPs the nodes would buckle under load, but that never happens.

And do you realize how much spectrum verizon is just sitting on or doing very little with? Besides their slow rollout of XLTE, they're waiting until 2018 to convert 3G spectrum to 4G and shut down their 2G network. The capacity adds will be huge, not to mention whatever spectrum they're currently squatting on. Then there will be the 10x increase in capacity thanks to category 8 LTE.

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Precisely, because 98% of them don't understand particulars about data, transfer speeds, etc. It became more apparent to me as I saw the last 3 posts where the poster displayed personal technical knowledge based content. All of the others repeat that of the other cows and believe everything their told. Verizon could easily, make tower congestion information readily available to everybody, they won't however because it will shows the holes their IUBE Technology and give users valid arguments that they were "THROTTLED" during a period that the tower they were attached to was not under heavy load. It is throttling without that transparency.