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aefstoggaflm
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Since ver MS Windows XP+ is toy OS so what is Unix/Linux then w/ desktop UI?

I heard/read that Windows XP and newer, is considered a toy OS.

If that is true / considering that, then what is Unix/Linux?

And just to be clear, I am not talking about Unix/Linux with command line only..

Thank you.
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only die hard linux fanboys call Windows a "toy OS", They are the kind of people who likely think OSX is a toy too. So its not true, Love it or hate it Windows is a true and proper operating system. And in the consumer desktop and laptop market its no toy its the majority stake holder.

Linux with a GUI is just another desktop OS. Really no OS is anything super special, If it suits your needs or the needs of your orginzation than its perfectly fine.
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said by Kearnstd:

only die hard linux fanboys call Windows a "toy OS"

Odd that you say that, because Mr Steve Gibson (of grc.com) runs Windows and thinks that way...

I point to

a) grc.com -> Services -> Security Now -> Security Now 2011 -> Episode #293 | 24 Mar 2011 | 93 min. (IE9)

b) grc.com -> Services -> Security Now -> Security Now 2011 -> Episode #294 | 31 Mar 2011 | 102 min. (Listener Feedback #114)

c) grc.com -> Services -> Security Now -> Security Now 2011 -> Episode #296 | 14 Apr 2011 | 108 min. (Listener Feedback #115)

[EDIT] Added link(s) to back up my claim..
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Steve Gibson's web site reminds me of Dr. Seuss books and cartoons.


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reply to aefstoggaflm
said by aefstoggaflm:

I heard/read that Windows XP and newer, is considered a toy OS.

That might have been a fair criticism of Win95, but not of XP.
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said by graysonf:

Steve Gibson's web site reminds me of Dr. Seuss books and cartoons.

How so?

Why is that?

How would he improve his site so that it is not like that?

Thanks

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Steve Gibson has a few opinions, many of which are completely wrong.

Examples:

- WMF vulnerability was deliberate
- Implementing SOCK_RAW means the sky is falling
- Stealth routers are meaningful to security
- Writing app code in assembly is still a good idea

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Get a web designer with a sense of design?


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said by anon poster :

said by graysonf:

Steve Gibson's web site reminds me of Dr. Seuss books and cartoons.

How so?

Why is that?

How would he improve his site so that it is not like that?

Thanks

LOL Steve Gibson appeared because he's butthurt about someone commenting on his site.
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Get a web designer with a sense of design?

Don't be so mean. I built a website like that once. I was 13 and it was in the early 90's.
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But has anyone hacked the Gibson?

Sorry I had to ask it... Even though it was a bad movie. Though Angelina was hot in it.
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One definition of toy: "something that an adult buys or uses for enjoyment or entertainment"
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So he has an opinion you could call Linux a toy too depending on how the user is using it.
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said by Archivis:

I built a website like that once. I was 13 and it was in the early 90's.

Did it hurt anyone's eyes like Gibson's does to me?


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and winME, vista, win8


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said by aefstoggaflm:

I heard/read that Windows XP and newer, is considered a toy OS

It is a derogatory half joking comment with a kernel (no pun intended) of truth.

Just as some like to refer to Windows NT as Needs Towing. Needs Towing, in one case, was the literal truth. The USS Yorktown, which was running Windows NT for mission critical systems, suffered a complete computer crash while testing a new NT based system in 1997. That NT computer malfunction resulted in the Yorktown being towed back to port.

»archive.wired.com/science/discov···07/13987

Toy operating system can refer to several of Windows properties. The fact that many Windows users stay with Windows due to demanding games, which are less available on other Operating Systems such as Linux. Thus, words I have been known to utter, such as to a brother in law of mine, "Then by all means, if your computer is primarily a toy and not a tool, then stick with your toy operating system". It was an awkward Thanksgiving, but no more so than normal for my extended family.

Other things that have earned Windows its toy OS moniker are its intentional cripple ware features (network and otherwise), and ongoing lack of security.


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I thought someone did a DDoS attack on his site about 12 years ago or so.

IIRC, he also has a DSLR account.


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There used to be a saying among Unix folks (I am one of those) back in the early days of Windows (think 80's) "Unix is a real OS and Windows is a toy"; "Unix was for work, Windows was for play". Windows was very limited on it's capabilities back in those days.

Would I say that today.
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WIndows 8.x is a toy
It's not even a real OS

It;s just a toy, for computer with touch screens..

99% of computers don't have touch screens.

NOT counting phones since they are not a PC they are a phone
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who cares if it's a "PC" or not? we're talking about computer operating systems.

are you somehow claiming that a phone is not nowadays pretty much just a computer?

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we were talking about x86 computing here

phones are a FIXED price of hardware if it was a PC you could change out the components.
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While some people just don't like change in general, the paradigm-shifting interface changes introduced with Win8 have caused a lot of negative reaction and customer resistance. (Just look through the MS forum and you'll see the plethora of threads about it.) I view Win8 as the most dumb-downed of the Windows GUIs; I myself have called it "Candy Land" and do not really take it seriously. So yes I would call it a "Toy OS".

The server jockeys generally consider GUIs for wimps since they live and breathe on the command line. This is not a Unix vs Windows thing per se, since I believe there is a GUI-less install of Windows Server out there, but 99+% of all Windows deployments have a GUI.

As for Gibson, yeah his site design is dated and his views are a bit on the whoa-buddy-take-yer-meds side.

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said by Anonymous_:

we were talking about x86 computing here

phones are a FIXED price of hardware if it was a PC you could change out the components.

A PC just means personal computer, x86 arm power doesn't matter, size and if you can swap components dont matter its if its a personal computing/computer device.

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Which is why Mac vs PC never makes sense. Macs are a PC correctly would be osx vs windows
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Linux = The OS that runs the world and everyone should be using.

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Well, it depends: "PC" as "personal computer" can be any instruction set and any architecture (*). My first personal computer was a VAX.

On the other hand, "PC" is also construed as "the IBM PC", which has come to describe a particular (evolving) architecture based on the x86 instruction set, address space split between RAM and IO, BIOS calls using INT, etc. These days we sometimes call that "Wintel" rather than "IBM". Whatever - the thing needs a name so we can talk about it.

(*) a system architecture and an instruction set are separate concerns. One can conceive of an x86 system that does not use the "PC" architecture, e.g. no BIOS, or no real-mem hole at 640K, etc.


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Anything that isn't meant to run anything then the manufacturer's provided OS is an appliance, even if it has computing capable components. This includes all phones and tablets save the old Sharp Zaurus and OpenMoko Neo Freerunner. Everything else is no more a computer then a washing machine.

If you want an ARM based COMPUTER buy a Pyra, or an Opteron A1100 when they come out.


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said by me1212:

said by Anonymous_:

we were talking about x86 computing here

phones are a FIXED price of hardware if it was a PC you could change out the components.

A PC just means personal computer, x86 arm power doesn't matter, size and if you can swap components dont matter its if its a personal computing/computer device.

Cell phone is not a computer it's a phone

it's even in the name Cell phone
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