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brad152
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2014-Jul-27 11:27 am
Best enterprise router for 40/20 VDSL?I'm looking at moving into a house that's capable of 40/20 VDSL from CenturyLink, and it has ethernet ran to all the rooms but no router in the patch panel, so i'm thinking of getting an enterprise router with WiFi since it's a very central location for the entire house.
So, i was thinking of just getting a Juniper SRX110 since it has the VDSL2 card included but i've noticed it does not have built in WiFi, nor does it have Gigabit ethernet.
What would be the best one to get? i usually try to avoid Cisco due to the issues i've encountered with the last few i've gotten but if I have to get one I will as long as it has 5GHz WiFi and Gigabit ethernet available. |
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why don't you use the DSL modem that comes with the service, and then buy a 24-port dumb switch like this.. » www.staples.com/Linksys- ··· t_280392You can get one with less ports. My advice, you don't need an all in one solution. Be open-minded, be modular. |
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brad152
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2014-Jul-27 12:23 pm
Yes i know, ideally this is what i want just to save space, and i hate wires running everywhere in a cabinet (it's a real hot button of mine)
Now if i have to do this all separate thing i will, but i would really hate to do that and i do not need 24 ports as it's a 3br house so maybe 10 ports max if i up each room to 2 ethernet ports as Prism is available here as well. so i may do two separate DSL lines coming in - one for my 40/20 line and the other for the "TV" so they're not competing for bandwidth.
But, if i do the 2 DSL lines, then the CenturyLink supplied router would handle the TV-Only Ethernet just fine as i'll only have a max of 4 TV's anyway and i can just run the 2nd ethernet cables directly to the modem CenturyLink provides. |
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markpr to brad152
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2014-Jul-27 12:57 pm
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I can post how well the Juniper SRX with VDSL works when my service is upgraded from DSL to VDSL this week. I have the SRX210 but it works with same as the SRX110.
If you like the Juniper equipment but need 1G interfaces then the SRX210 with the VDSL card will provide 2 ports of 1GB for you but it is a costly upgrade from the SRX110 (I would be just as happy with the 110 - I don't need 1GB given that most of what I do is primarily sharing a 40MB internet circuit).
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My only hangup is we do a ton of file sharing across the network, so 1Gbps is necessary, as we easily saturate 100Mbps no problem.
I may end up just using my C2000T as the modem, and using a high-end ASUS router to handle the Ethernet and AC.
I am also contemplating swapping to Cable where i'm moving (although i've never had an exceptional experience with Cox in the past) and using the Motorola 6782 since it has MoCA built in and 4-1Gbps ports to do what i need, as i can add a 1Gbps switch in the two places i need it down the chain.
The cable idea is sounding a little better anyway since i can do 150/30 for about what the 40/20 would cost me as long as i do a 2yr agreement with Cox. |
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If you really want VDSL2 WAN + GigE switch + maybe even Wi-Fi on a single Cisco or Juniper unit, it's going to cost you. You'll want a SRX220 (8xGigE, as I suspect 2 wouldn't be enough) or 1941 with the appropriate cards. Also, these units are not fanless.
I've looked at this in the past and there's no point to any of this. For example, there are no Cisco (enterprise-grade) or Juniper products I've found that can do bonded VDSL2. 40/20 may be available now but what about if they ever bring the 80/40 bonded tier to residential? The possibility for technology change is too much to invest so much in this hardware, IMO. And whatever Wi-Fi standard may be included in an all-in-one unit (for example, the 1941W) is not likely to be up to date. The 1941W mentioned only provides 802.11n. So at the very least, I recommend separating the AP (UniFi or AirPort are both 3x3 802.11ac; there's probably others that are now, but the last I researched this was months ago when those were the only two options).
So to sum up my recommendation: a cheap VDSL2 modem in bridge mode; ERL / SRX100 / ASA 5505 (the 100M ports shouldn't be a limitation if only used for routing); EX2200 / 3560 / 2960 (not totally comparable. EX2200 and 3560 both have compact fanless variants) / UBNT has some new switches, they're probably good based on the rest of their products but they're still an unknown; UniFi / AirPort. |
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said by brad152:I am also contemplating swapping to Cable where i'm moving (although i've never had an exceptional experience with Cox in the past) and using the Motorola 6782 since it has MoCA built in and 4-1Gbps ports to do what i need, as i can add a 1Gbps switch in the two places i need it down the chain. Or go for the UBNT setup, take the money saved from the equivalent Cisco or Juniper setup and you've probably got several months of cable service costs paid, then have both DSL and cable. Best of both worlds. I'd be doing this if Comcast provided worthwhile service here and if I didn't have a "never, ever will pay a single penny to Comcast, even if there's no other *@!#(!@# option" policy. |
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"using my C2000T as the modem, and using a high-end ASUS router to handle the Ethernet and AC." I like that idea. That would be my direction, and then see how it goes. |
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You should probably ask why you need enterprise level equipment, and why you want an all-in-one solution.
Most enterprises will use separate equipment for each component. SRX units with gigabit ports are expensive.
My suggestion, if you want enterprise stuff, get an SRX with VDSL2 capability, then get a separate switch with gigabit capability, then get a separate WAP.
If you don't really need enterprise level stuff, I'd just use the modem from Centurylink, get a nice gigabit wireless router and call it good. |
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brad152
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2014-Jul-28 12:46 am
I just wanted an enterprise-grade router because there are three "geeks" in the house and we tend to overheat pretty much every router we've tried lately (it gets warm in Phoenix, so unless a fan is on the router it happens)
granted two of us work for an airline so we're hardly home, it's nice to have everything "just work" when we are.
My C2000T actually has never frozen or overheated even with the extreme usage, it's just only stuck at 2.4GHz so that makes using it a challenge. |
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I would use the C2000T then with an external WAP.
(Having said that, I would never discourage the use of enterprise equipment... I for example have my modem plugged into a Watchguard Firebox running pfSense which then connects to a Brocade FWS gigabit/poe switch, and I have a SOHO WAP from Buffalo...) |
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crazyk4952 Premium Member join:2002-02-04 united state Ubiquiti EdgeRouter Lite Ubiquiti UniFi AP-LR Polycom VVX300
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said by gapmn:"using my C2000T as the modem, and using a high-end ASUS router to handle the Ethernet and AC." I like that idea. That would be my direction, and then see how it goes. I use a C1000A in bridge mode with an ASUS RT-N66U flashed with Tomato firmware by Shibby. While not enterprise equipment, I've got a dozen wireless clients and push a lot of data around on my network. The router gets pretty warm/hot to the touch, but it has always been reliable. |
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said by TechMike:I would use the C2000T then with an external WAP.
(Having said that, I would never discourage the use of enterprise equipment... I for example have my modem plugged into a Watchguard Firebox running pfSense which then connects to a Brocade FWS gigabit/poe switch, and I have a SOHO WAP from Buffalo...) Yeah I'm thinking a good ASUS would work just fine, and I will just let the c2000t handle the DHCP since it has handled six PCs connected to it through a switch pushing a ton of data and maxing out the 40Mbps just fine And i do know you can get 80/40 on residental it just takes someone who knows what they're doing to push it on the account and it has no promo pricing |
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2014-Jul-28 9:26 pm
said by brad152:And i do know you can get 80/40 on residental it just takes someone who knows what they're doing to push it on the account and it has no promo pricing It's possible but if you can get it on or before the 100th call, your next move should be to buy a lottery ticket. |
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brad152
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2014-Jul-28 10:48 pm
I got it on the first call last time, i just had to escalate to a supervisor and point out the pricing card on DSL Reports. My line's upload was just too shaky to sustain 20Mbps per pair (it would go about 15Mbps reliably) so they took me back to 40Mbps
I wish they had a 80/10 profile because if they did i'd glady pay double to have it. |
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